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RE: Women Have So Much More Opportunity - 3/17/2015 8:41:47 AM   
shiftyw


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Status: offline 		Esp. On tinder. I mean come on. Everyone, everyone, of all sexes- uses tinder like that.

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RE: Women Have So Much More Opportunity - 3/17/2015 9:13:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		Intuition is a double edged sword. That feeling you get has a reason, with experience/awareness you can learn to recognize what triggers which feelings and decide for yourself if it's worth avoiding the situation.

While it's incredibly useful, people often pigeonhole themselves because of it. They try to make lists that will narrow down the possibility of finding what they dont want without ever actually seeing what they do want, without realizing it their list leads them back to what they know.... and dont like. Your brain has a blind spot, it will extrapolate information it's not familiar with just to be able to categorize and make sense of what it doesnt have reference to.

If you keep ending up with the same type of people, try connecting with someone you would normally never ever consider, you most likely still wont find them perfect but maybe you find something new about there personality that does work.

Perceptions are always caused by something, to change them you have to recognize and be willing to see things differently yourself before those around you will see you differently.

For example: I know a guy(most girls probably know the type) who considers it a competion, he keeps score of how many dates he can go on where he can get head and dump them off before dinner. Asshole right? Well, he grew up with a lot of sister's and spent his childhood listening to them talk about how many free dinners they can get from guys they never plan on being with. He treats women the way he assumes they are treating him. The problem with this is the girls who are going to fall for his trick are the ones that don't see it that way. The ones that dont have experience to recognize it as a game and actually just want to date him. They will then feel used and start the same games his sisters played as a result. In essence he is creating what he doesn't like.

Sometimes you just have to let go and let yourself risk getting hurt to find something outside of it.

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RE: Women Have So Much More Opportunity - 3/17/2015 10:20:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		Men and women seem to have a different take on what constitutes creepy vs. normal, especially when it comes to dating.

Recently I showed that video to the guys in my office - the one where the woman walks through New York.

The guys in my office are liberal, educated, they'd probably call themselves feminist or pro-feminist, yet I was absolutely astounded to hear them making comments like 'why is she wearing that? She looks like a slut, what did she expect?' (she's wearing black jeans and a black t shirt) and 'they're just being friendly, what's wrong with that?' (in response to the hundreds of catcalls and comments she gets as she walks around) and then very negative comments, suggesting she was being paranoid, OTT, etc.

So basically, what the woman in the video, and I (and many others) saw as horrible, unwanted, inescapable, creepy attention, they saw as flattering, friendly and nothing wrong with it.

To you, those messages may have seemed to come from normal men, to her they may have seemed completely, obviously creepy. That doesn't mean that you're right and she's wrong, it means you need to adjust your expectations of what many women consider to be suitable contact behaviour.

Including, I might add, coming on here and trashing another woman because she has different standards to you.

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RE: Women Have So Much More Opportunity - 3/17/2015 11:18:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		DerangedUnit, I wanted to reply to you because your observations had profundity and yet you appear to be a young lady, one who is sharp as a tack. I thought it was on here but it must have been somewhere else you recently posted about not having female friends to relate to or being able to trust other women, and this made me think what is MathewIndio doing or not doing to get himself friend-zoned. He's not hard on the eyes, looks younger than 40, he's tall and HWP (6'2" 210lbs); I can't see how much hair he has with the cap covering it, but that shouldn't be much of an issue with a lot of women who aren't trichophiliac like I am.

I'm not saying it's your fault or doing, Mathew, but are you approaching the wrong women? Just looking at eye candy, hotties who are young enough to be your daughter's age, waiting for women to approach you? Are you shy, and this can get misread as being a snob, arrogant or egotistical. As a Dom, you should be having female subs flocking around you. . . or is that what you expect to happen, and those who do flirt with you or show you interest, you don't consider to be attractive enough for you? There's something else going on. Ask your female friends for their feedback, as a friend. If they thought you come across as a creep, they probably wouldn't be confiding in you.

To DaddySatyr - Getting creepy vibes aren't just about looks. Fugly or else homely is about looks, and that can be highly subjective. There are plenty of relatively attractive-looking men that I'm not the least bit attracted to. Some men have zero degree of charm, lack social skills, aren't quick-witted, or are just plain boring as hell (spouting off sports statistics, incessantly talking about business while they're off work, getting into heated political debates, etc.). For whatever reason, you appear to be reading superficiality into those responses where there wasn't any.

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RE: Women Have So Much More Opportunity - 3/17/2015 11:21:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MathewIndio

I go to a BDSM club and have several friends there. I was talking to a woman who was complaining about all the spam, fakes and perverts on dating sites. She showed me her account on match.com and her mailbox was flooded with men wanting to meet her. I looked at their profiles and they seemed like normal men. I asked her, "What about him?" "What about this guy?" She would say, "Eckk!! No!" "He looks creepy." With one swoop with her hand, she called them all creepy, pervs, etc. Including this site.

The reason women complain is because they don't give anyone a chance. I realize that a lot of men just want sex, but not all do. Many want an authentic relationship.

Don't you think that women have more OPPORTUNITY then men on dating sites?


Yes they do. Any other questions?

Frankly, women can be picky... for fuck sake... ever see a woman go shoe shopping? Talk about wanting to stab myself in the eye with an ice pick. Anyway, they can afford to be picky because of the overzealous monkey-gland injection getting hyper-testosterone guys out there that think that they are God's gift to women. That women on Internet dating sites get picky and gun shy all at the same time is not a shock because of those misbehaved cretins that masquerade as men.

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RE: Women Have So Much More Opportunity - 3/17/2015 11:22:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DerangedUnit

Intuition is a double edged sword. That feeling you get has a reason, with experience/awareness you can learn to recognize what triggers which feelings and decide for yourself if it's worth avoiding the situation.

While it's incredibly useful, people often pigeonhole themselves because of it. They try to make lists that will narrow down the possibility of finding what they dont want without ever actually seeing what they do want, without realizing it their list leads them back to what they know.... and dont like. Your brain has a blind spot, it will extrapolate information it's not familiar with just to be able to categorize and make sense of what it doesnt have reference to.

If you keep ending up with the same type of people, try connecting with someone you would normally never ever consider, you most likely still wont find them perfect but maybe you find something new about there personality that does work.

Perceptions are always caused by something, to change them you have to recognize and be willing to see things differently yourself before those around you will see you differently.

For example: I know a guy(most girls probably know the type) who considers it a competion, he keeps score of how many dates he can go on where he can get head and dump them off before dinner. Asshole right? Well, he grew up with a lot of sister's and spent his childhood listening to them talk about how many free dinners they can get from guys they never plan on being with. He treats women the way he assumes they are treating him. The problem with this is the girls who are going to fall for his trick are the ones that don't see it that way. The ones that dont have experience to recognize it as a game and actually just want to date him. They will then feel used and start the same games his sisters played as a result. In essence he is creating what he doesn't like.

Sometimes you just have to let go and let yourself risk getting hurt to find something outside of it.


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RE: Women Have So Much More Opportunity - 3/17/2015 11:26:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Kittenluv954

I totally won't message to tell someone I'm not interested anymore lol, I know better after years of being attacked, insulted, debated with, and invalidated to bother myself with it. I reply to those I'm interested in, delete those I'm not, and block the ones who can't accept that.

*edit* I have no clue how I messed up this quote. my reply was to icarusburning, re: women who don't reply to messages at all.


I totally understand your point of view, especially given that women on here must be receiving hundreds of messages to swim through, the only practical approach is not to reply to someone you are not interested in. I am by no means finding fault in your ways.

However, for a moment spare a thought for the guy. He too might be genuinely looking for someone "his type". Trust me, sometimes hearing a "no thank you" also helps people tune in better to who all might be more suited , otherwise sometimes we are left guessing , well not forever ( no one is that stupid) but for rather lengthy stretches of time.

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RE: Women Have So Much More Opportunity - 3/17/2015 11:55:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: IcarusBurning
However, for a moment spare a thought for the guy. He too might be genuinely looking for someone "his type". Trust me, sometimes hearing a "no thank you" also helps people tune in better to who all might be more suited , otherwise sometimes we are left guessing , well not forever ( no one is that stupid) but for rather lengthy stretches of time.


If anybody thinks they're about to achieve a meaningful connection on sending an initial message, they're investing way too much into the reactions of what is, at this point a complete stranger. Merely bits of binary passing in the night.

As a rule of thumb, despite the volume of mail women get on here, if she hasn't replied within a week of seeing the mail she's not interested. Yeah, there might be the occasional exception to that. But treat it as a nice surprise if it happens instead of waiting round. A lot of it is about passing the initial filters. Which, quite honestly, isn't that difficult. You're articulate and you have decent spelling and grammar. That puts you ahead of much of the 'competition' from the off.

Regarding the OP, it depends.

Yes, it's probably easier for relatively undiscerning women. As there's a lot more undiscerning men for them to pick and choose from.

For the rest of us, nah. Regardless of our gender. A quick glance at the front page shows me that, if I was currently looking, there is nobody I'd be compatible with romantically and/or sexually. And only three people I'd even consider holding a conversation with on a pure friendly basis.

(Anybody deeply like me on a spiritual and philosophical level should probably be shot for the good of society anyway).

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RE: Women Have So Much More Opportunity - 3/17/2015 12:11:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: dreamlady

DerangedUnit, I wanted to reply to you because your observations had profundity and yet you appear to be a young lady, one who is sharp as a tack. I thought it was on here but it must have been somewhere else you recently posted about not having female friends to relate to or being able to trust other women, and this made me think what is MathewIndio doing or not doing to get himself friend-zoned. He's not hard on the eyes, looks younger than 40, he's tall and HWP (6'2" 210lbs); I can't see how much hair he has with the cap covering it, but that shouldn't be much of an issue with a lot of women who aren't trichophiliac like I am.

I'm not saying it's your fault or doing, Mathew, but are you approaching the wrong women? Just looking at eye candy, hotties who are young enough to be your daughter's age, waiting for women to approach you? Are you shy, and this can get misread as being a snob, arrogant or egotistical. As a Dom, you should be having female subs flocking around you. . . or is that what you expect to happen, and those who do flirt with you or show you interest, you don't consider to be attractive enough for you? There's something else going on. Ask your female friends for their feedback, as a friend. If they thought you come across as a creep, they probably wouldn't be confiding in you.

To DaddySatyr - Getting creepy vibes aren't just about looks. Fugly or else homely is about looks, and that can be highly subjective. There are plenty of relatively attractive-looking men that I'm not the least bit attracted to. Some men have zero degree of charm, lack social skills, aren't quick-witted, or are just plain boring as hell (spouting off sports statistics, incessantly talking about business while they're off work, getting into heated political debates, etc.). For whatever reason, you appear to be reading superficiality into those responses where there wasn't any.

DreamLady


Thank you and yes, I have never met a woman I feel I could be friends with. which coincides with a similar point. I believe that everyone has the potential to be close with anyone else. What decides who you end up close to is determined by what bridges you want to build. I know that it is too much work for me to be around unhappy confrontational people, could I be.... sure, but then I would have to focus on maintaining my mormally chipper mood while around obnoxious people and that is more work than im willing to do. But when people catcall me I respond with a smile and a thank you. Everyone has tje things they can deal with and those they aren't willing to tolerate. If a guy isnt willing to tolerate women who get mad at cat calls and ignore that for good qualities, than there are plenty of women who don't care. You will never find someone exactly like you, and that's a good thing.

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RE: Women Have So Much More Opportunity - 3/17/2015 12:18:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		This reminds me of a conversation that I had with my mom not too long ago. She couldn't (and still doesn't) understand why I don't want to forge a relationship with a female cousin of mine. She seems to think that we should be BFFs because, you know, my cousin is a *really* nice person. No doubt she is-- but we have precisely nothing in common. I couldn't see us having more than a 5 minute conversation over anything meaningful.

I'm of the mind that interpersonal relationships, whether with family, friends or romantic partners, are one of the last places in this world where it's perfectly ok to say "thanks but no thanks" for any reason that makes sense to *you*. No one is entitled to be "given a chance". You like who you like. End of story.

Back when I was looking, I'm sure I dismissed some really nice guys. Honest, sincere, salt of the earth types. No doubt in my mind. Should I have given up on my other preferences in a partner just to give these "nice guys" a chance? I wouldn't do it, much as I wouldn't want someone else to do that to me.

I've seen many, many profiles both here and on other sites. It takes me about 5 seconds to figure out whether the person is a "go or no go" in terms of possibilities. Do I have "more opportunity" as a woman in this regard? Considering sheer numbers, I'm sure I do. Now, in terms of actual compatibility? I'm not so sure about that.


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RE: Women Have So Much More Opportunity - 3/17/2015 12:21:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: IcarusBurning

what i do find annoying, however, is women who dont even care to say "sorry i am not interested".
I'm guilty of this. After a day's worth of horrible replies to "Sorry, not interested" you learn it's not worth the hassle.


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RE: Women Have So Much More Opportunity - 3/17/2015 12:30:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've always expressly preferred not getting "Sorry, not interested" replies. Because I can figure that out from the lack of response and I'd much rather get the new mail notification from women who want to talk to me.

(Obviously, I'm not a dick if I do get a reply. It's meant in good faith, but I'd still rather not get them at all).

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RE: Women Have So Much More Opportunity - 3/17/2015 12:35:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: IcarusBurning

However, for a moment spare a thought for the guy. He too might be genuinely looking for someone "his type". Trust me, sometimes hearing a "no thank you" also helps people tune in better to who all might be more suited , otherwise sometimes we are left guessing , well not forever ( no one is that stupid) but for rather lengthy stretches of time.


How does a "no thank you" help the poor guy figure this out?


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RE: Women Have So Much More Opportunity - 3/17/2015 12:52:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Apocalypso

I've always expressly preferred not getting "Sorry, not interested" replies. Because I can figure that out from the lack of response and I'd much rather get the new mail notification from women who want to talk to me.

(Obviously, I'm not a dick if I do get a reply. It's meant in good faith, but I'd still rather not get them at all).

This seems to make the most sense to me. No response is in fact a "no". So why all the men bitching that they don't get a "no thanks" reply? Because the reason they want the "no thanks" reply is they want an inroad, to persuade, bully, or denigrate their way into "yes".
Imo.

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RE: Women Have So Much More Opportunity - 3/17/2015 12:59:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: RockaRolla


quote:

ORIGINAL: IcarusBurning

what i do find annoying, however, is women who dont even care to say "sorry i am not interested".
I'm guilty of this. After a day's worth of horrible replies to "Sorry, not interested" you learn it's not worth the hassle.



I'm not really looking any more, but "back in the day" I was one of the guys that actually did read profiles, and would only write to those that I thought were promising as far as compatibility. I'd take the time to write out what I thought were thoughtful, informative, letters, talking about what I thought we had in common and why I'd like to get to know them better. Often, this process would take 30 minutes to an hour. And all too often I'd not get any kind of reply in return. I hate to think how much time I wasted on them. Eventually I did start getting a "fuck that" attitude, and my initial contact letters got shorter and shorter. Why the hell should I waste my time if they can't even be bothered to send a simple, "Thanks, but no thanks"? Of course then you start seeing all of the women that complain about the short, non-informative contact notes. Jesus Freaking Christ, ladies. . .you can't have it both ways! If you want thoughtful, informative, and considerate first contact letters, then at least show a little appreciation for the amount of time and effort that some guys DO put into it. If you can't do that, then all you can expect are the short two liners that say, "Hi. Read my profile and if you like what you see, let me know." To at least some extent it is your own fault that that is what you receive.

If you want to avoid the "horrible replies to "Sorry, not interested"" then all you have to do is send the "Sorry, not interested" to them, then click the "Block" button. It takes all of about 10 or 12 seconds. Compare that to the amount of time some people spend to send a thoughtful contact letter and you start looking awfully cheap and rude by comparison.

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RE: Women Have So Much More Opportunity - 3/17/2015 1:07:45 PM   
GoddessManko


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ORIGINAL: littleladybug

This reminds me of a conversation that I had with my mom not too long ago. She couldn't (and still doesn't) understand why I don't want to forge a relationship with a female cousin of mine. She seems to think that we should be BFFs because, you know, my cousin is a *really* nice person. No doubt she is-- but we have precisely nothing in common. I couldn't see us having more than a 5 minute conversation over anything meaningful.

I'm of the mind that interpersonal relationships, whether with family, friends or romantic partners, are one of the last places in this world where it's perfectly ok to say "thanks but no thanks" for any reason that makes sense to *you*. No one is entitled to be "given a chance". You like who you like. End of story.

Back when I was looking, I'm sure I dismissed some really nice guys. Honest, sincere, salt of the earth types. No doubt in my mind. Should I have given up on my other preferences in a partner just to give these "nice guys" a chance? I wouldn't do it, much as I wouldn't want someone else to do that to me.

I've seen many, many profiles both here and on other sites. It takes me about 5 seconds to figure out whether the person is a "go or no go" in terms of possibilities. Do I have "more opportunity" as a woman in this regard? Considering sheer numbers, I'm sure I do. Now, in terms of actual compatibility? I'm not so sure about that.




Ditto, bingo, exactly. Though for me it takes one conversation. Unless this gal is psychic, who knows but maybe she's just not PHYSICALLY attracted to those guys and that's fine too, it's her prerogative. OP is a good looking fella but does nothing for me in terms of attraction. It is what it is. I get a lot of young guys hitting on me so maybe that's why we connect relatively well, they are "untainted and eager" so to speak. Those who lament about casually playing with random people I dismiss entirely. I would never play casually with someone I didn't like, I'm not that desperate. Honestly though just hovering over an email I know right away if it's worth responding to or not. If someone seems intelligent etc etc I give them an audience. Sometimes it's geography, I don't want to move to Maine and he's grounded there, no thank you. But I pick and choose who to even respond to, otherwise it would be a full time job responding to emails. I can even remember this really nice D/D couple I engaged for a short time. Sure, they thought I would sub and typically I'd be offended but they gave off great energy, both good looking and generally nice people. So I wasn't entirely dismissive right away.


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RE: Women Have So Much More Opportunity - 3/17/2015 1:13:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: igor2003
I'd take the time to write out what I thought were thoughtful, informative, letters, talking about what I thought we had in common and why I'd like to get to know them better. Often, this process would take 30 minutes to an hour.


Certainly not speaking for all ladies, but I'm wondering why someone wouldn't wait until they got a response to spend 30 minutes to an hour on an e-mail.

All I expect from an initial e-mail is something that breaks the ice. Whether it be a comment on where I'm from, or my photos, whatever. Short and sweet. When I initially made contact with my man, it was to make a joking remark about his photo. All of the myriad reasons why I thought we were compatible could come afterwards. I sent that mail unsolicited. From the time that I initially saw his profile to the time I hit "send" was maybe 5 minutes. I didn't have an *expectation* of a response one way or the other. Why should I?

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RE: Women Have So Much More Opportunity - 3/17/2015 1:26:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		igor2003 sometimes less is more. This guy had a tagline from a Tay Swift song and at the time it was sort of my theme music (he was cute and not too young) so emailed him and said "Hey, you stole my line there!" And then it was a funny back and forth for a while. My best convos usually start that way, with a more "human side" showing at the starting gate. We still say hello from time to time. Most of the guys I actually do like seem like they don't want a "serious commitment" so to speak. Well give off that energy but still fun to chat with now and then

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RE: Women Have So Much More Opportunity - 3/17/2015 1:27:40 PM   
orgasmdenial12


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ORIGINAL: igor2003
...it is your own fault that that is what you receive.


Actually, the fault is with the person who chooses to send the message, not the person who receives it. The only people who routinely claim 'she made me do it!' are rapists, serial killers and wife beaters. Everyone else learns to be responsible for their own actions some time before puberty.

quote:

ORIGINAL: igor2003
Compare that to the amount of time some people spend to send a thoughtful contact letter and you start looking awfully cheap and rude by comparison.


Did you get that, ladies? His desire to write hour long essays for *someone he has never even spoken to* is 'thoughtful' whereas your desire not to speak to people who creep you out is 'cheap' and 'rude'.

quote:

ORIGINAL: igor2003
Jesus Freaking Christ, ladies. . .you can't have it both ways!


Except that, apparently, we can, because neither of your tactics worked and yet here are a great many of us, in happy relationships with people who don't berate us for not liking either of the two ridiculous contact strategies that you suggest.

Did you ever consider that there is a happy middle ground between 1 hour initial contact essay (which is uber creepy, btw) and 10 second spam mail shot that gets you nowhere?

Best structure for contact is:

a) one sentence on what you liked about her profile and why you messaged her (I really liked that picture you had of a candle.)

b) one sentence to suggest the connection between you and her (I also enjoy wax play, and it's nice to see that someone else is into it.)

c) one question to give her something to reply to (Have you done much wax play or is it something you're hoping to try?)

It comes across as friendly, conversational, interested (but not overly-interested) and it gives her a pick up point for the conversation. It also shows you have social skills. There's literally nothing worse than some knuckle-dragging loner who can't even master the basics of conversation, attempting to chat you up.

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RE: Women Have So Much More Opportunity - 3/17/2015 1:27:48 PM   
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