RE: No Limits: How far would you go?

Join Our Community

Collarchat.com

Home Login Search

RE: No Limits: How far would you go?

View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest

All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> General BDSM Discussion >> RE: No Limits: How far would you go?

Page: << < prev 2 3 [4] 5 6 next > >>

Login

Message

<< Older Topic Newer Topic >>

RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/16/2007 9:26:28 AM

Posts: 4584
Joined: 8/27/2007
Status: offline

Most of my limits exist outside of my bdsm lol....like watching pointless movies and repettitive housework.
Otherwise, given the obvious of no animals, no kids, no incest....my limits are set by my dominant but I have to be honest and say they vary on the day as one day my pain threshold could be high and on another very low. In which case I would have to say white rabbits and disappear down a tunnel.
I have, I admit, in the past said no limits and then wished I'd retracted the statement.
If I feel LOVE then there is that desire for no limits but of it's loveless submission then I put in more limits....selfish I know....and get the scene over and done with for the kick of it.
I now think that actually no limits is a construct used by the sub who is wanting to impress.

Prinnie xx

(in reply to SusanofO)

RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/16/2007 9:27:39 AM

Posts: 4214
Joined: 12/27/2006
From: Portland, OR
Status: offline

UR2,

It's in line with the point I made about knives. "Knifeplay" can mean several things; some of them completely harmless (butterknife held to the shoulder) while others quite dangerous. I knew a girl who liked to be choked, but it had to be done with something other than the hands, because she'd been actually choked by someone who...well, shouldn't have.

It's a way of saying that limits can take things out of context.

Stephan

_____________________________

Nosce Te Ipsum

"The blade itself incites to violence" - Homer

Men: Find a Woman here

(in reply to UR2Badored)

RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/16/2007 9:29:13 AM

Posts: 1335
Joined: 7/28/2007
From: Kawarthas, Ontario, Canada
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: UR2Badored

I made a statement on another thread that made me wonder about other people thoughts regarding being a "no limits" bottom.

Here goes......I am curious to other thoughts on the matter.

"For me, the phrase "no limits" is a hyperbole, but only because I take things too literally and to the extreme. (Think Hannibal Lecter)"

If you consider yourself to be or are looking for a "No Limits" bottom. What exactly does that mean to you? Does anyone really believe, in the literal, sense that they have no limits whatsoever?

How do you define "no limits"?
(I would appreciate opinions and views from anyone on this matter)

Context is important.

The literal "no limits" on its own means just that. Every right she has she is surrendering, making clear her intention to never claim a right to anything.

"no limits beyond my own" would mean she would assert no rights beyond those which I permit her. Essentially my limits become her limits.

For a "no limit" sub to actually achieve "no limits", she would need a "no limit" dom. Otherwise, she would always be limited by the limits of her dom.

_____________________________

When all is said and done, what will you regret?

That you never really lived?

Or there was so much living left to do?

For those interested: pics and poetry have been added to my profile.

(in reply to UR2Badored)

RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/16/2007 9:41:25 AM

Posts: 506
Joined: 2/3/2007
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bobkgin
Context is important.

The literal "no limits" on its own means just that. Every right she has she is surrendering, making clear her intention to never claim a right to anything.

This is what baffles me about making such a claim. What if sub Jane Doe meets very compatible Dom John Doe. Everything is perfectly content and after years, Dom John Doe becomes more extreme surpassing the tolerance of sub Jane Doe and her initial needs and desires. sub Jane Doe, at this point, adores and love Domly Dom John Doe and wants more than anything to make it work but is miserable. Domly Dom John Doe thinks he knows best, but sub Jane doesnt think so at this point. Has sub Jan Doe given up any right to make assertions that may ultimately save the relationship?

end question to Bobkgin

How many anchovies does it take to screw in a life bulb? Sorry I have a sorry-a$% sense of humor

< Message edited by UR2Badored -- 9/16/2007 9:45:38 AM >

_____________________________

A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way
Mark Twain

(in reply to Bobkgin)

RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/16/2007 9:57:14 AM

Posts: 1712
Joined: 6/24/2005
From: DC Metro area
Status: offline

when i refer to myself as "no limits", that means that upon becoming slave to my Master, i gave up all personal limits and placed myself in his hands, which means that the only limits i have would be those he places upon me. and no, we are not perfectly 100% compatible in all areas, never have been...there are many things he subjects me to which i would choose to have as limits if i had the right to do so and were in a different sort of relationship. to answer a question posed to another poster, "Has sub Jan Doe given up any right to make assertions that may ultimately save the relationship?"...change "sub" to "slave" and i would say yes, absolutely. first, only my Master can terminate our relationship, so it would never be in my power to "save" it. secondly i am property now, not a free person who's number one priority is taking care of self. my number one priority is serving and pleasing my Master, regardless of how crazy he may become after 20 yrs and a severe head injury, regardless of what that may entail or what risks to self may be involved.

(in reply to UR2Badored)

RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/16/2007 9:59:27 AM

Posts: 3029
Joined: 6/18/2005
Status: offline

Isn't that pretty much for sub Jane Doe to decide? For daddysprop, she's stated No, that isn't for her to decide. But she makes it clear that's how it is for her and her alone. Someone else may have a different answer.

(in reply to UR2Badored)

RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/16/2007 10:04:32 AM

Rover

Posts: 2634
Joined: 6/28/2004
Status: offline

Fast Reply to no one in particular....

Despite having read three pages of sanity, I pressed on... knowing that eventually it would devolve into utter silliness demanding an equal standing upon the mantle of logic and reality. Why do people persist in affording it a place that it does not deserve?

John

_____________________________

"Man's mind stretched to a new idea never goes back to its original dimensions."

Sri da Avabhas

(in reply to bandit25)

RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/16/2007 10:06:50 AM

Posts: 506
Joined: 2/3/2007
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: daddysprop247

when i refer to myself as "no limits", that means that upon becoming slave to my Master, i gave up all personal limits and placed myself in his hands, which means that the only limits i have would be those he places upon me. and no, we are not perfectly 100% compatible in all areas, never have been...there are many things he subjects me to which i would choose to have as limits if i had the right to do so and were in a different sort of relationship. to answer a question posed to another poster, "Has sub Jan Doe given up any right to make assertions that may ultimately save the relationship?"...change "sub" to "slave" and i would say yes, absolutely. first, only my Master can terminate our relationship, so it would never be in my power to "save" it. secondly i am property now, not a free person who's number one priority is taking care of self. my number one priority is serving and pleasing my Master, regardless of how crazy he may become after 20 yrs and a severe head injury, regardless of what that may entail or what risks to self may be involved.

In your case and my opinion, he is somewhat a perfect match for you. You obviously adore him and that is something to admire about your relationship.

My question to you specifically--Don't you enjoy serving him in such a way that you feel benefited from in some way? In other words, isn't your relationship mutually beneficial and consensual? If you would not benefit from it in some way, would you remain in the relationship? I know this is slippery slope-- I am just trying to understand clearly what you are saying.

< Message edited by UR2Badored -- 9/16/2007 10:13:17 AM >

_____________________________

A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way
Mark Twain

(in reply to daddysprop247)

RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/16/2007 10:13:14 AM

Posts: 1712
Joined: 6/24/2005
From: DC Metro area
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: UR2Badored

In your case and my opinion, he is somewhat perfect match for you. You obviously adore him and that is something to admire about your relationship.

My question to you specifically--Don't you enjoy serving him in such a way that you feel benefited from it as oppose to feeling miserable and trapped (forced)? In other words, your relationship is mutually beneficial and consensual?

of course our relationship is consensual, he did not force me or coerce me into being his. i made the choice with my eyes wide open and totally willingly. as far as feeling benefitted...it fulfills me to please him, always. even if that entails some suffering and hardship on my part.

you are correct, i do adore him, and he is the perfect Master for me. 100% compatibility is not required for that. but that does not mean that i am always happy or that i do not ever truly suffer at his hands...i am not, and i do, often. but i also knew that this would be the case before i made the choice to be his slave, and happiness and bliss are not things i consider necessary in a slave's life. lovely, yes, necessary, no.

(in reply to UR2Badored)

RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/16/2007 10:14:47 AM

e01n

Posts: 1472
Status: offline

And again... I find myself agreeing with Larry Hagman's evil twin.

It's called negotiation for a reason. I'm getting something out of it as well as She is. And frankly, I'm not so arrogant to say that neither of us has "no limits." I'm painfully aware of my limitations and Hers...

But we *can* compensate and adapt...

(in reply to UR2Badored)

RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/16/2007 10:16:20 AM

Posts: 8284
Joined: 10/27/2004
Status: offline

We had an interesting discussion on this that turned up some surprising (to me) answers a couple of years ago if anyone is interested in checking it out.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_80843/mpage_1/key_limits%2Csubs%2Cslaves/tm.htm

_____________________________

Peace and light,
~erin~

There are no victims here...only volunteers.

When you make a habit of playing on the tracks, you thereby forfeit the right to bitch when you get hit by a train.

"I did it! I admit it and I'm gonna do it again!"

(in reply to UR2Badored)

RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/16/2007 10:17:06 AM

Posts: 506
Joined: 2/3/2007
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: bandit25

Isn't that pretty much for sub Jane Doe to decide?

In a no limits scenerio, wouldnt it be Dom John Doe to decide?

Thanks Erin........I definitely want to read it........

Daddy'sProp......in that sense, your last reply makes sense to me--thanks for sharing and explaining

< Message edited by UR2Badored -- 9/16/2007 10:25:02 AM >

_____________________________

A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way
Mark Twain

(in reply to bandit25)

RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/16/2007 10:25:39 AM

Posts: 4584
Joined: 8/27/2007
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: daddysprop247

when i refer to myself as "no limits", that means that upon becoming slave to my Master, i gave up all personal limits and placed myself in his hands, which means that the only limits i have would be those he places upon me. and no, we are not perfectly 100% compatible in all areas, never have been...there are many things he subjects me to which i would choose to have as limits if i had the right to do so and were in a different sort of relationship. to answer a question posed to another poster, "Has sub Jan Doe given up any right to make assertions that may ultimately save the relationship?"...change "sub" to "slave" and i would say yes, absolutely. first, only my Master can terminate our relationship, so it would never be in my power to "save" it. secondly i am property now, not a free person who's number one priority is taking care of self. my number one priority is serving and pleasing my Master, regardless of how crazy he may become after 20 yrs and a severe head injury, regardless of what that may entail or what risks to self may be involved.

Forgive me: IMO this is not healthy.
Post the same in 20 years time and I might accept it as such.

(in reply to daddysprop247)

RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/16/2007 10:31:06 AM

Posts: 506
Joined: 2/3/2007
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Prinsexx

Forgive me: IMO this is not healthy.
Post the same in 20 years time and I might accept it as such.

Consider me a natural meddler as a previous poster confessed but:

In her (Daddy'sprop) most recent reply, she states her relationship is consensual. What is not healthy about a consensual relationship where the relationship is mutually beneficial?

Daddyprop's situation aside, how would you answer my question or how would it differ from someone who viewed your relationship as unhealthy? Would you care if it worked for you?

I respect your thoughts on the matter.

< Message edited by UR2Badored -- 9/16/2007 10:38:09 AM >

_____________________________

A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way
Mark Twain

(in reply to Prinsexx)

RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/16/2007 10:35:42 AM

Posts: 506
Joined: 2/3/2007
Status: offline

Thanks Erin, I started reading that thread.......It should have been required reading for me prior to starting this thread. Thanks again

_____________________________

A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way
Mark Twain

(in reply to mistoferin)

RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/16/2007 10:47:03 AM

Posts: 5746
Joined: 7/11/2007
From: Austin Texas
Status: offline

I see a different approach between the two threads. The other one asks how it can work going into a relationship. I don't get someone stating no limits for everyone which is what that implies to me.
With my dom I haven't limits. There is no 'I won't do that activity X' since he wouldn't have me do activity X .With everyone else I have limits.

_____________________________

~Love your life! (It is the only one you'll get).

(in reply to UR2Badored)

RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/16/2007 10:52:43 AM

Aswad

Posts: 9374
Joined: 4/4/2007
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Prinsexx

Forgive me: IMO this is not healthy.

Who cares whether it's healthy or not, as long as it's what they both wanted?

quote:

Post the same in 20 years time and I might accept it as such.

Again, it doesn't matter. If he gets a brain tumor and goes crazy from it, it's his right within their mutually agreed upon dynamics to act crazy, whether that ends fatally or not. Sure, that may not fit how most people here want to live, but I see absolutely no good reason why they shouldn't be allowed to make such a decision for themselves. I think people have a right to decide these things for themselves, quite simply.

Health,
al-Aswad.

_____________________________

"If God saw what any of us did that night, he didn't seem to mind.
From then on I knew: God doesn't make the world this way.
We do." -- Rorschack, Watchmen.

(in reply to Prinsexx)

RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/16/2007 11:04:12 AM

Posts: 506
Joined: 2/3/2007
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: camille65

I see a different approach between the two threads. The other one asks how it can work going into a relationship.

I did not see that specifically laid out......but my original post was brief so perhaps my question got lost in my translation. oops

_____________________________

A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way
Mark Twain

(in reply to camille65)

RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/16/2007 11:24:29 AM

Posts: 9184
Joined: 2/5/2006
Status: offline

I do not impose limits on my Master. When he owns me, he owns all of me and can do what he wishes.

We were not 100% compatible when we met. I did not seek out someone whose limits met mine and then take them on as my own. His limits far exceeded what mine would have been at the time.

Death is not a limit for me. I came to learn that it is for him, however. But this does not mean if he changed his mind and it was no longer a limit, I would turn it into one for myself.

Scat pizza wouldn't be so different from things I have done before. Who knows, maybe it tastes better cooked, lol.

What I love about him, though, is before putting anything new and "outrageous" on me, he made sure he was confident that I could handle it. The funny thing now is that I've begged him for things that have exceeded his limits.

Three years into this, limits is no longer a subject of conversation for us. If I'm to be true to myself, I need to give myself freely and unencumbered, and without self imposed rules. That's who I am. And he wants a slave who will do that. That's what makes us compatible, not a particular check list. Not slighting anyone else who is different than this...just saying it's what I needed to do.

(in reply to UR2Badored)

RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/16/2007 11:29:08 AM

Posts: 284
Joined: 8/30/2007
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: UR2Badored

If you consider yourself to be or are looking for a "No Limits" bottom. What exactly does that mean to you? Does anyone really believe, in the literal, sense that they have no limits whatsoever?

How do you define "no limits"?
(I would appreciate opinions and views from anyone on this matter)

Within the context of a LTR, as time has passed and trust has grown, I can reach a point where my only limits are HER limits. It is one more level of surrender to her psychological control. It is testimony of my absolute trust in her, and my total acceptance of her leadership role in the relationship.

I wouldn't dream of doing it in casual play, or even the early part of a LTR. It takes time to develop confidence that she is competent and caring, has a moral compass roughly similar to my own, and she isn't going to one day decide to ask me to help her stuff Hanzel & Gretel into an oven.

If I don't eventually get to a point that I trust her to that degree, it is a signal that I don't belong with her.

(in reply to UR2Badored)

Page: << < prev 2 3 [4] 5 6 next > >>

All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> General BDSM Discussion >> RE: No Limits: How far would you go?

Page: << < prev 2 3 [4] 5 6 next > >>

Jump to:

New Messages	No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages	Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages	Locked w/o New Messages

Post New Thread

Reply to Message

Post New Poll

Submit Vote

Delete My Own Post

Delete My Own Thread

Rate Posts

Collarchat.com © 2024

Terms of Service

0.078