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RE: open for response until 7am est - 11/26/2007 9:01:05 PM   
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Knight in shining armor rescuer kink alert!
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RE: open for response until 7am est - 11/26/2007 9:02:15 PM   
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Okay...okay...since SimplyMichael said so, I am gonna loosen up a bit.

From what I have read, you have someone who has some serious issues and is most likely not ready to serve and submit like you want her to.
Unfortunately, as much as we like to think that we are the gods of the universe and can create and destroy with a snap of a finger, the pragmatic truth is that if the slave or submissive isn't willing to take responsibility for her own behaviors/issues/problems/obedience, there isn't a whole lot that we can do.

Sure, there is things we can do to help realign someone's mentality. A stern voice or a mean slap can put someone back in their headspace, but in the end, if she really really doesn't want to do it, then she is probably not going to do it.

I feel sympathy for you. You have a partner who is not mature, responsible, or has enough self control to hold up her end of the bargain in the relationship. It's the all to famous "I want to submit and be dominated, but it's solely on my terms". I would categorize her as a bottom.

My first relationship followed this same outline. Your actually very lucky, because when this train wreck is done with, you will have the opportunity to sit back and reflect and learn lot from the experience.

Unfortunately, much like me and my first girl, neither of you really know what your doing and the odds of making it work out are stacked against you.

As far as you specifically, these are the three things I have noticed (Besides the posturing, but am gonna let that go)

1) You are going to have to realize that your slave is a living breathing human being with limitations. Much in the same way your a living breathing human being with limitations.

So she had a hard time getting up in the morning...

I have a hard time getting up in the morning. Hell, I am still ironing it out and perfecting getting to work on time.

2) You seem to be in the insecure stage of this that many dominants (myself included) go through....which is when everything doesn't go absolutely positively 100% according to what you want, its an affront to your uber dominance.

Anyone who has some experience with behavior modification will tell you that it takes a lot of time and patience to achieve results. Patience that goes beyond the scope of a long week.

When something doesn't go according to your plan, instead of getting insecure and pouting with "Why didn't she do this? Doesn't she know I am the dominant? How dare she defy me?", you have to think "Okay...this is what she did...she's not perfect....what can I do to help correct this?"

Pouting about it won't help.

3) You seem to have a fantasy perspective of a D/S and M/S relationship which is going to have to be knocked down. Regardless of whether it's DS, MS, TPE, EPE, ADD, or ESP, it's still a relationship, no different then a vanilla relationship, where it's give or take and both people's needs have to be met.

Personally, I define my relationships by being the one who makes all the decisions and nothing else. What decisions I make are irrelevant. Whether I decide my slave needs to fulfill my needs by giving me a blowjob or I decide to fulfill her needs by letting her get her rest while I drag my own ass out of bed to make my coffee is a moot point.

The only thing that is important to me is that I was the one who made the decision and that decision was respected regardless of the outcome.

In my book, a successful power exchange is made by making responsible decisions that serve the relationship as opposed to solely narcissistic decisions that solely fulfill me.





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RE: open for response until 7am est - 11/26/2007 9:04:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael


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I am insecure about myself, and being insecure makes me feel unstable about the place I may or may not hold in my Master's eyes. as a result I feel that no matter how much I give, or how much I honestly care or love, in the end I will just be thrown away and never looked at as a diamond in the rough, or anything worth keeping.


And until you can fix/deal/work around the above, you will never have the TPE or even the submissive you want.
 That was perfect Michael.

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RE: open for response until 7am est - 11/26/2007 9:06:49 PM   
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Well said Charleston...i do hope he will absorb this message~

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RE: open for response until 7am est - 11/26/2007 9:09:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TwiztdErotic

So it's 5AM and I'm wide awake. I decide to wake puppy up for a little early morning service. Her reaction, quite simply, is unacceptable.

Your thoughts?


You woke someone up at 5 a.m., and she didn't shoot you. You want a better reaction than that?!

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RE: open for response until 7am est - 11/26/2007 9:10:13 PM   
OsideGirl


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And kudos to Mad Rabbit.....that was extremely well put.

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RE: open for response until 7am est - 11/26/2007 9:18:47 PM   
laurell3


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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

Okay...okay...since SimplyMichael said so, I am gonna loosen up a bit.

From what I have read, you have someone who has some serious issues and is most likely not ready to serve and submit like you want her to.
Unfortunately, as much as we like to think that we are the gods of the universe and can create and destroy with a snap of a finger, the pragmatic truth is that if the slave or submissive isn't willing to take responsibility for her own behaviors/issues/problems/obedience, there isn't a whole lot that we can do.

Sure, there is things we can do to help realign someone's mentality. A stern voice or a mean slap can put someone back in their headspace, but in the end, if she really really doesn't want to do it, then she is probably not going to do it.

I feel sympathy for you. You have a partner who is not mature, responsible, or has enough self control to hold up her end of the bargain in the relationship. It's the all to famous "I want to submit and be dominated, but it's solely on my terms". I would categorize her as a bottom.

My first relationship followed this same outline. Your actually very lucky, because when this train wreck is done with, you will have the opportunity to sit back and reflect and learn lot from the experience.

Unfortunately, much like me and my first girl, neither of you really know what your doing and the odds of making it work out are stacked against you.

As far as you specifically, these are the three things I have noticed (Besides the posturing, but am gonna let that go)

1) You are going to have to realize that your slave is a living breathing human being with limitations. Much in the same way your a living breathing human being with limitations.

So she had a hard time getting up in the morning...

I have a hard time getting up in the morning. Hell, I am still ironing it out and perfecting getting to work on time.

2) You seem to be in the insecure stage of this that many dominants (myself included) go through....which is when everything doesn't go absolutely positively 100% according to what you want, its an affront to your uber dominance.

Anyone who has some experience with behavior modification will tell you that it takes a lot of time and patience to achieve results. Patience that goes beyond the scope of a long week.

When something doesn't go according to your plan, instead of getting insecure and pouting with "Why didn't she do this? Doesn't she know I am the dominant? How dare she defy me?", you have to think "Okay...this is what she did...she's not perfect....what can I do to help correct this?"

Pouting about it won't help.

3) You seem to have a fantasy perspective of a D/S and M/S relationship which is going to have to be knocked down. Regardless of whether it's DS, MS, TPE, EPE, ADD, or ESP, it's still a relationship, no different then a vanilla relationship, where it's give or take and both people's needs have to be met.

Personally, I define my relationships by being the one who makes all the decisions and nothing else. What decisions I make are irrelevant. Whether I decide my slave needs to fulfill my needs by giving me a blowjob or I decide to fulfill her needs by letting her get her rest while I drag my own ass out of bed to make my coffee is a moot point.

The only thing that is important to me is that I was the one who made the decision and that decision was respected regardless of the outcome.

In my book, a successful power exchange is made by making responsible decisions that serve the relationship as opposed to solely narcissistic decisions that solely fulfill me.






Very well put MR.  I'm not sure we can actually say how insecure or immature the sub/slave is however as the reporter seems to lack insight and not be the most accurate reporter due to it.

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RE: open for response until 7am est - 11/26/2007 9:25:27 PM   
TemptingNviceSub


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ORIGINAL: TwiztdErotic

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True, but the op obviously doesn't have a great deal of experience in picking good partners, or in how to have a healthy relationship that meets both people's needs. In fact he is clear on not caring if her needs are met or not as long as she does what she's told without him hearing about things that don't work for her. And that's not an attitude that successful partners in relationships have. It is an attitude that gets you left alone.


Okay, I've already said that I don't have a whole lot of experience in TPE, but, I'm pretty sure that under those terms, her needs are unimportant. Correct me if I'm wrong, but TOTAL POWER EXCHANGE renders her powerless, strips her of all rights, and basically states that she is subject to the will of her Dominant. Meeting her needs is not a requirement. she knew what she was signing up for and knew whether or not her needs would be a priority. If she was intent on shoving a square peg into a round hole, so be it. Quite frankly, if something doesn't work for her, tough shit. Why should the Dominant bend to meet the submissive in a TPE relationship? They shouldn't. the submissive will either bend, or she will break. either course is just fine with me under those conditions. Sadism is an acceptable practice in this lifestyle, after all. As for my attitude resulting in me being left alone, that's fine with me as well. she's always known that she was free to leave this relationship if she didn't feel she could live up to what was expected of her. I certainly wasn't going to fight to keep her.

Please, if you do not have experience in TPE or even fully understand what it entails, don't comment on the relationship. However, if you do have TPE experience then I'd be happy to hear from you.
I am not going to flame you..but I simply wish to say that sometimes it is not always about the Dominant nor is it about the submissive..sometimes you need to focus not on self but on the relationship you ,or anyone with you ,are in..In other words it is first about the relationship, then the individuals in that relationship...Tempting

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RE: open for response until 7am est - 11/26/2007 9:29:03 PM   
MadRabbit


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ORIGINAL: laurell3

Very well put MR.  I'm not sure we can actually say how insecure or immature the sub/slave is however as the reporter seems to lack insight and not be the most accurate reporter due to it.


I would put a good bit of money on it not being solely him.

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RE: open for response until 7am est - 11/26/2007 9:32:50 PM   
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i agree 100% with what MadRabbit said..... *Note to self....Either i'm losing my grip or MR is gaining His*

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RE: open for response until 7am est - 11/26/2007 9:33:04 PM   
laurell3


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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

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ORIGINAL: laurell3

Very well put MR.  I'm not sure we can actually say how insecure or immature the sub/slave is however as the reporter seems to lack insight and not be the most accurate reporter due to it.


I would put a good bit of money on it not being solely him.


Obviously she's there with him letting him trip around and stumble, so I think that's a fair assessment.  Additionally, it's never solely one person.  However, the extent to which he's actually exaccerbating her issues with his ridiculousness is also unknown, and that would be my guess.

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RE: open for response until 7am est - 11/26/2007 9:36:02 PM   
MadRabbit


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ORIGINAL: Kalista07

i agree 100% with what MadRabbit said..... *Note to self....Either i'm losing my grip or MR is gaining His*


I don't make fun of people ALL THE TIME

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RE: open for response until 7am est - 11/26/2007 9:43:08 PM   
TwiztdErotic


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you have to think "Okay...this is what she did...she's not perfect....what can I do to help correct this?"


perhaps my memory just isn't as good as I think it is, but isn't that exactly what I did? Isn't that why this thread exists to begin with?

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RE: open for response until 7am est - 11/26/2007 9:45:27 PM   
TwiztdErotic


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Isn't that why this thread exists to begin with?

Aside from my main goal, which was to posture, of course.

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RE: open for response until 7am est - 11/26/2007 9:46:35 PM   
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well, i have been thinking about this thread since it came up. 

First, let me apologize about my plant analogy - it worked for me  - i later was thinking about the power exchange between me and my car  and the need to have the oil changed and gas put in it, and me and my computer and paying the electric bill and having anti-virus software... but i think my post may have been seen as flippant (which it was not meant to be).  It seemed to me that the OP had forgotten the word EXCHANGE and i found a very simple exchange in my world that showed that.  If it was not expressed well, please forgive me. 

now for this post...i am wondering about why this particular thread is causing such heated discussion.  i am wondering (only wondering)... if it is because ...
well, in the vanilla world, BDSM folks are often seen as bullies (Dom/mes) and weak-willed girls/boys who can't make their own decisions (subs/slaves).  The original post and many since by the OP have shown this particular type of relationship - granted it is clouded by the OP's lenses - as are anyone's.  But, my question is more about the response from this discussion.  Just asking with no judgment... merely interested in the workings of the minds of the people here.

Why are we all so upset about it?     (And, yes, i am also upset about it.) 

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RE: open for response until 7am est - 11/26/2007 9:49:48 PM   
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First, let me apologize about my plant analogy

Personally, I liked the analogy. a bit of a wiseass analogy, though it may be. it had a point.

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RE: open for response until 7am est - 11/26/2007 9:51:21 PM   
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you have to think "Okay...this is what she did...she's not perfect....what can I do to help correct this?"


perhaps my memory just isn't as good as I think it is, but isn't that exactly what I did? Isn't that why this thread exists to begin with?


Christ...I am getting wet from all this water.

I would guess this thread exists because you were freaking out a little bit at 5am in the morning over the thought that your slave wasn't going to wake up for you on time.

Saying something like "Oh yeah...oh yeah....well I am going to wake you up at 7am instead of 8am since you told me not to" reeks of insecurity with yourself and your dominance.

I am taking into account that you have a partner who isn't ready for a D/S relationship, but your contributions to this betray your own issues.

Now, as an end result, you have a big huge disaster over such a minor issue as getting up on time in the morning.

You remind me a lot of me, calling my mentor every other day when the smallest little thing in my D/S relationship didn't go according to my awesome plans.



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RE: open for response until 7am est - 11/26/2007 10:03:27 PM   
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how unfortunate. just when I'd thought you might be worth paying some attention to after all, you had to go and fuck it all up.
freaking out over it? hardly. I came here for some suggestions...how absurd, I know.
Responding to her little threat with something she'd be less happy with reflects nothing in the same ballpark as insecurity.. it was nothing more than an act to prove the point that her telling me what I 'better not do' is only going to result in me doing it.
As for this being a disaster, I'm not sure I can agree with that either as the matter has long been solved.

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RE: open for response until 7am est - 11/26/2007 10:10:34 PM   
MadRabbit


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ORIGINAL: TwiztdErotic

how unfortunate. just when I'd thought you might be worth paying some attention to after all, you had to go and fuck it all up.


Ooooo....somebodies posturing again....Oooooo

I'm curious. How big is your house?

Do you have a seperate room solely for your ego?

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RE: open for response until 7am est - 11/26/2007 10:13:45 PM   
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I'm beginning to question who's really the one posturing here.. it's okay, bunny. often we accuse what we ourselves are guilty of. you can still feel good about yourself without making yourself look like an ass, though.

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