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RE: Subtle Abuse - 12/29/2008 7:33:47 AM   
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RE: Subtle Abuse - 12/29/2008 7:43:24 AM   
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I do have a funny story to share though...

First the set- up: I have spent my entire life around smokers. They are healthy as the day is long. I, on the other hand, suffer from chronic bronchitis. My daughter suffers from upper respiratory issues - in a major way. We used to battle our way through bouts of pneumonia that would last entire winters long. Through it all, my husband would smoke. Both of us would wind up in the hospital time after time and his only response was "I pay the bills, I'll smoke in my damn house if I want to." The doctors told him he was poisoning his daughter. He responded "there's no real proof that second hand smoke causes that." And he never stopped. I tried everything and nothing would ever get him to stop. The most he'd do is turn on a fan. After we left, she and I miraculously got better and have been, largely healthy. But every time she'd go visit her father, she'd come home sick. And still he'd continue to smoke.

Now: So, these days, he now has a new girlfriend and AMAZINGLY, he doesn't smoke in the house! So, I asked her the other day how in the WORLD she got him to stop. She just smiled and said, well...

The joke: Her way of getting him to stop was that she told him that cigarette smoke makes her sick and when he blew smoke in her face to prove that he'd do what he wanted when he wanted and she couldn't stop him...

She threw up on him.
 
Well, there's always more than one way to handle things. Wish I'd thought of that!!

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RE: Subtle Abuse - 12/29/2008 7:46:51 AM   
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I think that before (even if it might be far too late) everyone gets too upset and takes alot of this far too personally.... it is wise to keep in mind that there are people that just cannot comprehend living with some of the situations that have been described on the forums at times.

That inability to comprehend, the fact that many people just cannot compare it to anything that has existed in their own lives, creates an incredulous mindset. A mindset that leads to words that are taken in a potentially very negative way by those that have lived through it.

I really don't think it is with a harmful intent that people express their feelings, it is simply an inability to imagine being in that situation, and an inability to imagine any sane, intelligent person allowing themself to get there. While it is easily, and maybe even warranted at times, perceived as yet another type of an attack. I don't believe it is that simplistic. Honestly.

I know there are things that other people go through that I really cannot imagine what it would be like. And I have a very vivid imagination. I cannot imagine how these things change a person permanently. Even though I have seen the evidence in two women I've loved deeply. I know it from watching them, yet I still have a huge mental block in trying to imagine putting myself in that position.

So, while I know it is easy to take offense and be hurt.....and probably impossible to imagine the other side of the equasion here, rather than assume those that don't understand are being intentionally hurtful, it might be more personally constructive to just know that most people that haven't experienced it, probably cannot imagine the reality. It makes their words less personal, and just purely makes more sense.


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RE: Subtle Abuse - 12/29/2008 7:48:46 AM   
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I wanted to make this final comment - to you and to erin - because you are both largely the people whom seem to have the biggest issue with what has been said by myself and also seem to be the people who haven't grasped at all.  Honestly - I find that both your reactions are blinkered.  I really feel that you're not really wanting to understand or listen to what is being said.
 
Your - and I am directing this to both of you - assumption is that people don't understand that dread.  Wrong.
Your assumption is because I come from a different frame of mind I cannot possibly understand  Wrong.
Your assumption is I have never suffered abuse becaue unlike you both I haven't felt the desire to post about it.  Wrong.
 
Through this thread, I have been accused of saying things I never said.  The subtle abuse and terrible attempts of twisting words has occured - by both of you - not only to me, but to others - I could list them all here, but that would be defeative and cruel.

 
(This is an edit - I am not in anyway shape or form making an accusation that only the two of you contributed to forms of subtle abuse... I am saying that as an example because I am responding to you both. )

In a sense - I could say I was disappointed - but then my 'disappointment' in you both could be seen as an attempt to subtly abuse you into feeling remorse.  Because that is what abuse is.  Subtle manipulations - like NV just made at agirl and myself about what we wrote making her sad - What we wrote which quite frankly you dont want to understand because you are too wrapped up in the so called fact that we don't understand!
 
And just for this time, I am going against everything I believe in to make a point to you.  I do fucking understand and I don't accept your condecending attitudes to people like myself who HAVE been raped.  Who HAVE suffered mental and physical torture.  Who HAVE suffered death because of abuse.  Who HAVE chosen NOT to keep harping back to the past negative experiences and be an example of being a person who made it out the other side and instead concentrate on the now and who live their life and make recommendations to people who have voiced that they are going through the same thing I have gone through and my past but the person I am NOW - not by saying 'I know' but by saying 'You can'.
 
No one is saying how you deal is wrong.  I didn't even say one person on this thread had a victim mentality but it has been infered I did.  You all want to define abuse?  It's telling someone they did something they didn't, said wrong, made someone feel sad, guilty, that they don't understand, don't get it.
It's people calling names, suggesting they have no emotions, manipulating words of what someone said to try and turn their question back on them, someone being accused of being passive, another of being underhand.  ALL these things can be subtle forms of abuse - as IB said - everyone does it and that s why I posted the post I did back on page 12 about the amount of abuse going on in the thread.  We all do it - we are ALL victims of it.
 
That is all I can say on the subject to NV and erin because I know myself and right now I am angry at this situation and I know you both well enough to get that if I continued this would just end up as tit for tat - and quite honestly, I want to be a bigger person than that.  For the record - I DO find this thread heartbreaking - just maybe not for the reasons some of you are second guessing of me.  I'm not sorry.  I'm not sad at others reactions and I am disappointed, but only in myself for being part of this whole charade of 'subtle abuse'.
 
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RE: Subtle Abuse - 12/29/2008 7:57:50 AM   
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When you start talking about how the death of one thing pales in comparison to the death of another, that is very much, competition - even if you'd like to say you weren't doing so. Good for you that threatening the death of an animal wouldn't stop you. Bad on me that it did huh?

Enjoy your holier than thou place in life. Pray it doesn't bite you in the ass.

juliet




If she thinks the death of one pales to another why would it matter to you? Do you feel guilty in some manner for not leaving or do you think she is judging you for not doing so?



Yes, I think she very much IS judging those of us who didn't do as she'd do. I also think she's getting off on watching us attempt to explain the inexplicable. Crazy-making behavior creates crazy-making mindsets, and when you live with someone who engages in crazy-making behavior, you tend to react in less than rational ways as well.

I think the best any of us who have stayed in situations like this can do is attempt to explain where we were at that time. Chances are we'd do things vastly differently now, but at the time, we did what we thought was right - dysfunctionally since we were immersed in a very dysfunctional situation. But pointing out how SHE would have done things differently does not change the fact that we did things to the best of our abilities at the time given the circumstances we were in. Pointing out how SHE would have done things in those situations, having never been in those situations is akin to the judgmental views of the childless on how THEY would have done things differently if it'd have been THEIR child.

Yes, she is being extremely judgmental.

juliet


juliet...In hindsight, knowing what you know now, do you think you made the right decisions at the time?

If you do, then you probably did make the best decisions in a difficult situation.

If you don't, what would you do differently faced with the same situation again?

agirl


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RE: Subtle Abuse - 12/29/2008 8:11:37 AM   
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Why did you assume that my post was aimed at you dark? Because we don't share the same viewpoint? Because of what I said farther back in the thread? I was addressing something farther back in the thread. You answered that already.

As far as my being abusive....am I capable of it? Damn straight I am...I was taught by one of the best. I was INTENTIONALLY abusive to someone on this thread. He came in baiting and dishing and I took the bait and dished it right back. Nope, doesn't make it right....or even good....but I wanted him to know that I, for one, was not going to just let it slide. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. But that was a long time ago. Today....I see an asshole I call it one. So if you think me horrible and are disappointed in me for that, so be it. I won't apologize for that either. I'm not a perfect person who is above emotion...even anger....sometimes even outright rage. But then I don't recall ever claiming to be either. I shoot right straight from the hip.



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RE: Subtle Abuse - 12/29/2008 8:13:59 AM   
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When you start talking about how the death of one thing pales in comparison to the death of another, that is very much, competition - even if you'd like to say you weren't doing so. Good for you that threatening the death of an animal wouldn't stop you. Bad on me that it did huh?

Enjoy your holier than thou place in life. Pray it doesn't bite you in the ass.

juliet




If she thinks the death of one pales to another why would it matter to you? Do you feel guilty in some manner for not leaving or do you think she is judging you for not doing so?



Yes, I think she very much IS judging those of us who didn't do as she'd do. I also think she's getting off on watching us attempt to explain the inexplicable. Crazy-making behavior creates crazy-making mindsets, and when you live with someone who engages in crazy-making behavior, you tend to react in less than rational ways as well.

I think the best any of us who have stayed in situations like this can do is attempt to explain where we were at that time. Chances are we'd do things vastly differently now, but at the time, we did what we thought was right - dysfunctionally since we were immersed in a very dysfunctional situation. But pointing out how SHE would have done things differently does not change the fact that we did things to the best of our abilities at the time given the circumstances we were in. Pointing out how SHE would have done things in those situations, having never been in those situations is akin to the judgmental views of the childless on how THEY would have done things differently if it'd have been THEIR child.

Yes, she is being extremely judgmental.

juliet


juliet...In hindsight, knowing what you know now, do you think you made the right decisions at the time?

If you do, then you probably did make the best decisions in a difficult situation.

If you don't, what would you do differently faced with the same situation again?

agirl



Is there a reason, applicable in your own life for you to possibly want to know the answers to this? Or are you simply continuing to bait people around here? 

Honey, I pass. Once or twice around till I figured out what you were doing is enough for me.

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RE: Subtle Abuse - 12/29/2008 8:15:11 AM   
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ERMMMMM 'Scuse me.... One point here.. Us  Bears DO NOT have bugs.. The occasional flea perhaps but no bugs.....................................



Sorry Ironbear but this bear has never had fleas.............sheesh!


It's to be expected I guess when you have a Malamute and a malamute/Husky cross spend half the night on the bed and thus you risk getting the odd flea.. Just goes with the territory.. lol


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RE: Subtle Abuse - 12/29/2008 8:22:08 AM   
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uliet...In hindsight, knowing what you know now, do you think you made the right decisions at the time?

If you do, then you probably did make the best decisions in a difficult situation.

If you don't, what would you do differently faced with the same situation again?

Oh Lord....this is not a situation that calls for retrospect.
Everyone of us has been in a crisis situation of one sort or another. Second guessing after the fact is not a healthy thing to do, in my opinion


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RE: Subtle Abuse - 12/29/2008 8:30:20 AM   
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When you start talking about how the death of one thing pales in comparison to the death of another, that is very much, competition - even if you'd like to say you weren't doing so. Good for you that threatening the death of an animal wouldn't stop you. Bad on me that it did huh?

Enjoy your holier than thou place in life. Pray it doesn't bite you in the ass.

juliet


If she thinks the death of one pales to another why would it matter to you? Do you feel guilty in some manner for not leaving or do you think she is judging you for not doing so?



Yes, I think she very much IS judging those of us who didn't do as she'd do. I also think she's getting off on watching us attempt to explain the inexplicable. Crazy-making behavior creates crazy-making mindsets, and when you live with someone who engages in crazy-making behavior, you tend to react in less than rational ways as well.

I think the best any of us who have stayed in situations like this can do is attempt to explain where we were at that time. Chances are we'd do things vastly differently now, but at the time, we did what we thought was right - dysfunctionally since we were immersed in a very dysfunctional situation. But pointing out how SHE would have done things differently does not change the fact that we did things to the best of our abilities at the time given the circumstances we were in. Pointing out how SHE would have done things in those situations, having never been in those situations is akin to the judgmental views of the childless on how THEY would have done things differently if it'd have been THEIR child.

Yes, she is being extremely judgmental.

juliet


No juliet, I am not judging anyone at all.

I have not been in your situation and ....YOU haven't been in mine. I can't and haven't pretended that I've FELT abused, regardless of whether I have been or not.

I don't think that mentioning that I'm a very different person is actually saying that I am a much *better* person....but I can't stop you taking that inference.

I haven't asked you to explain, you've taken that upon yourself and then caught yourself up in a fantasy of me *getting off* on something I didn't ask for in the first place.

Because I have a history of doing things differently, that makes me holier than thou? Not in my world.

agirl





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RE: Subtle Abuse - 12/29/2008 8:30:32 AM   
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I really do think being a D or M there is a fine line between abuse and discipline. That a D or M has to be careful not to cross it. In other threads there are indications where a D or M takes care of their sub/slave.
Father earlier in my life, master currently, its alcohol that is key to the abuse. Very strange that I have yet to heard anyone suffering abuse when someone was not under the influence of something.
With the economy suffering, the bars and liquor distributors will be doing a lot more business, if they're not already.

Reading through this thread daily, as I am a creature of abusive upbringing, I have a question: What do you consider to be subtle abuse?

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RE: Subtle Abuse - 12/29/2008 8:34:52 AM   
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lol. Ok agirl, however you wish to play it. We'll take it your way. You can't stop me from making that inference. And I said once or twice around with you was enough. Next.

juliet

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RE: Subtle Abuse - 12/29/2008 8:50:10 AM   
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No juliet, I am not judging anyone at all.


You and Icarys, in a disgusting and inappropriate interjection of balls that are way too big for your place, have chosen to scrutinize and second guess the history of missturbation and julietsierra by critiquing what they did and interjecting what the "right thing" they should have done, thus implying that what they did was wrong and therefore their history is their fault.

This, by definition, is judging someone and also incredibly insensitive and nonconstructive.

Your creditability might be improved if you would own up to this glaring contradiction instead of pretending to be understanding and sympathetic.

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RE: Subtle Abuse - 12/29/2008 9:01:00 AM   
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No juliet, I am not judging anyone at all.


You and Icarys, in a disgusting and inappropriate interjection of balls that are way too big for your place, have chosen to scrutinize and second guess the history of missturbation and julietsierra by critiquing what they did and interjecting what the "right thing" they should have done, thus implying that what they did was wrong and therefore their history is their fault.

This, by definition, is judging someone and also incredibly insensitive and nonconstructive.

Your creditability might be improved if you would own up to this glaring contradiction instead of pretending to be understanding and sympathetic.

(Okay...moderators....I didn't call anyone any bad names in this one. I was a good boy)


To be fair MadRabbit, agirl specifically said she was unsympathetic. And Icaryus DID come back and say he could understand parts of what was being said, and .dark DID come back and apologize to both me and someone else for generalizing in his comments.

Yes, Icarys then did the whole second guessing thing, but personally, I look for glimmers of understanding. It's from those that knowledge or at least awareness and quite possibly then, empathy when it happens to people close to you grows. .dark had his own reasons for choosing to stay away from adding his own story to the mix, although, when he finally did, it made the point he was TRYING to make all along - to put the past in the past and move on in more healthy ways as best you can - much more clear. Although, to tell the truth, I'm very sorry he was driven to violate his own personal ethics to do so.

For my money (and I don't have much, so there you go) agirl is the only one who claims to be "different" and wants to prove it so much that she's willing to tear down others to get there. But hey, like she said, she can't help what I have inferred from her posts. Perhaps she really WAS just trying to be helpful. Cause beyond that, I have absolutely no idea why it's so darn important that we all acknowledge how much better she is than everyone else.

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RE: Subtle Abuse - 12/29/2008 9:06:24 AM   
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Instead of just saying that they're glad you found your way out....no matter how long it took....or no matter what had to happen on the path to getting there. Instead of listening to their stories and saying thank you for sharing that, maybe someone will see light as a result of hearing it....maybe someone will recognize what is happening earlier and won't have to go through that...maybe someone will reach their hand out and help pull someone up who is down. Nope....because then they would have to admit that it could just as easily be them. That way they can stay smarter and stronger....even if it is an illusion.


mist,

Maybe it's a "both/and," not an "either/or?" Some have the resources to reach out. They become the counselors, work or volunteer in the shelters and safe houses, etc. The rest of us, all we can do is listen, let the other cry or cuss, and then encourage them to begin change. But, when it's all said and done, the way in which the listener is holding their life together does not allow the resouces to bring the other in. There is no safe haven to offer, there is no extra money.

I will do everything I reasonably can to influence the social welfare of the individual, but I will not expose my family to danger in doing so.

As "THE PROFESSONAL," I am contacted by people who insist that they are detrimentally controlled through hypnosis. I have no reason to doubt them and every reason to believe that I can help. However, I have to tell them that I cannot begin to help until after they have safely exited their environment. To a person they have insisted that they cannot (and they've all had reasons that I could not refute, usually danger to loved ones if they left). Again, I don't doubt them, and apologize that I can do no more... but I will not enter into a hypnotic tug of war while the subject remains on the abuser's home turf.

I feel bad. I'm not IronBear or others that have a place of refuge to offer and the resources to stand toe to toe against an abuser. Nor do I press on why they cannot engage lawyers, police, other relatives, etc. and go to a safe house, even though our city has several good ones. I know my limits, I accept their stated limits, and I respect them.

I listen. I respect. I suggest. I encourage. I pray for the day that I can do more, or they can safely escape. These are the resources I have available. Maybe I gave them enough hope that there is another resource, that they can sustain until their environment or resources change toward their benefit.

Those who listen may be a benefit. Certainly in listening we have done no harm.

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RE: Subtle Abuse - 12/29/2008 9:29:57 AM   
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To be fair MadRabbit, agirl specifically said she was unsympathetic. And Icaryus DID come back and say he could understand parts of what was being said, and .dark DID come back and apologize to both me and someone else for generalizing in his comments.

Yes, Icarys then did the whole second guessing thing, but personally, I look for glimmers of understanding. It's from those that knowledge or at least awareness and quite possibly then, empathy when it happens to people close to you grows. .dark had his own reasons for choosing to stay away from adding his own story to the mix, although, when he finally did, it made the point he was TRYING to make all along - to put the past in the past and move on in more healthy ways as best you can - much more clear. Although, to tell the truth, I'm very sorry he was driven to violate his own personal ethics to do so.

For my money (and I don't have much, so there you go) agirl is the only one who claims to be "different" and wants to prove it so much that she's willing to tear down others to get there. But hey, like she said, she can't help what I have inferred from her posts. Perhaps she really WAS just trying to be helpful. Cause beyond that, I have absolutely no idea why it's so darn important that we all acknowledge how much better she is than everyone else.

juliet


I have doubts that given the quality of the character and advice displayed regularly by Icarys, there is something unchecked in his 995 posts that is deserving my scrutiny.

It's so important that we all point out the wrongs of abuse victims and how we would do things better because the egos of some need the self serving validation that comes from comparing one's self to someone we perceive as being "weaker" or "inferior".

It's much like your friend who mutters "I'm glad I am not that guy" when you both pass a homeless man on the street or the "feel good" sensation one receives when they utter "At least, I am not those people" when watching the Jerry Springer show.

What better way to build one's ego and validate one's own sense of strength and superiority then to scrutinize the misfortune of others and make statements that self-serve the purpose of providing assurance that "we would never allow ourselves to end up like that" or "if we were there, we would do the "right" thing and the "strong" thing and not allow it to continue"

We're an entire nation of vicarious vampires, tuning in to the Oprah Winfrey show and the local news to gape and goggle at the misfortune of others, offering our  "help" and "tears" while turning a condescending and lesser eye to the victims, all the while feeding viscously off their experiences and misery in a drunken haze of self assurance that we are "better for not being them" or "not doing what they did".

Why would the forums be devoid of such behavior?

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RE: Subtle Abuse - 12/29/2008 9:32:02 AM   
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Excellent post MR.

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RE: Subtle Abuse - 12/29/2008 9:34:52 AM   
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What I dislike the most, looking back in hindsight as to my own upbringing.
An individual is the recipient of continuous abuse, that a natural response is to bully others thus becoming violent in your behavior towards others. This behavior continues until the individual is removed. There are also underlying circumstances to such retaliatory behavior. The psychology of the recipient also needs to be considered.
As the situation continues, subtle abuse becomes more a detriment to the development of the recipient to function properly.
There are also external influences that are just as responsible for abuse as the source. The abuse of authority is also factor within the medical system. Such was my upbringing.
I was abused physically growing up as a child to the point that I became violent in my reaction. I was removed from the cause and presumed the cause of the abuse. As a result of that screwed up diagnosis, I was medicated to near catatonia.
Now I have no idea why medical practitioners believed I had caused abuse to happen to me, but that was their diagnosis. My father was an alcoholic and much like current master, and even men in my past that behaved violently towards me, I really do have to ask the question why?
Abused my father, physically, emotionally and psychologically. Forget trying to learn how to fly, I just concentrated on learning how to land.
Abusive is violence towards another human being. At 11, I was thrown into a wall and cracked my head open. As a result, was removed from my family for a year. Once more, medicated to a zombied state of mind and physical lethargy.
Now this may harm my chances of finding a domme to serve but my past is what gives foundation towards being a submissive and my dislike towards men.
Schooling was spent avoiding men and of course my association with women without relationships. Most guys assumed I was gay, as a result, I was the recipient of numerous gay bashing. Attempting to fight back was met with me being confined, eventually I just stopped fighting back. I could not win. Do I perceive my self as the victim here, 'Hell No'. My life has gone from one source of abuse to another. Yes I consider prejudice and homophobia/transphobia a form of abuse because its still violence towards another individual.
We do our best to heal. Just as an individual starts making headway into the healing process. There is always someone to come along that dictates that the method being used is wrong or that they decide to set you back. Someone I thought I could trust. A friend of mine. Well at least I thought he was until I shared with him my situation. As a result, he became violent, called me a freak and successfully drowned me (2nd drowning= water fills the lungs). I survived and he was arrested. That happened on Canada Day.
Now this thread is about subtle abuses but I believe its also a thread of general abuse.
After I recovered, I was abused further by my own father for being so weak. That everything that happens to me is my fault. That I deserve everything that I receive.
The abuse continued and still continues, now as public humiliation and demeaning remarks.
As I stated in a previous thread, some people enjoy being humiliated, degraded to the point of being treated as an object, demeaned as an individual until their spirit is broken. To some they invite this upon themselves but to some others it would be considered abusive behavior. Even criticism can be considered a form of abuse if it is used to lower an individual's self-esteem, to cause another individual duress or to generally cause them to doubt their efforts.
Interestingly enough, I have read a good many threads where criticism has done nothing to help but only to hinder. Always by the same individuals.


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RE: Subtle Abuse - 12/29/2008 9:38:42 AM   
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To be fair MadRabbit, agirl specifically said she was unsympathetic. And Icaryus DID come back and say he could understand parts of what was being said, and .dark DID come back and apologize to both me and someone else for generalizing in his comments.

Yes, Icarys then did the whole second guessing thing, but personally, I look for glimmers of understanding. It's from those that knowledge or at least awareness and quite possibly then, empathy when it happens to people close to you grows. .dark had his own reasons for choosing to stay away from adding his own story to the mix, although, when he finally did, it made the point he was TRYING to make all along - to put the past in the past and move on in more healthy ways as best you can - much more clear. Although, to tell the truth, I'm very sorry he was driven to violate his own personal ethics to do so.

For my money (and I don't have much, so there you go) agirl is the only one who claims to be "different" and wants to prove it so much that she's willing to tear down others to get there. But hey, like she said, she can't help what I have inferred from her posts. Perhaps she really WAS just trying to be helpful. Cause beyond that, I have absolutely no idea why it's so darn important that we all acknowledge how much better she is than everyone else.

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I have doubts that given the quality of the character and advice displayed regularly by Icarys, there is something unchecked in his 995 posts that is deserving my scrutiny.

It's so important that we all point out the wrongs of abuse victims and how we would do things better because the egos of some need the self serving validation that comes from comparing one's self to someone we perceive as being "weaker" or "inferior".

It's much like your friend who mutters "I'm glad I am not that guy" when you both pass a homeless man on the street or the "feel good" sensation one receives when they utter "At least, I am not those people" when watching the Jerry Springer show.

What better way to build one's ego and validate one's own sense of strength and superiority then to scrutinize the misfortune of others and make statements that self-serve the purpose of providing assurance that "we would never allow ourselves to end up like that" or "if we were there, we would do the "right" thing and the "strong" thing and not allow it to continue"

We're an entire nation of vicarious vampires, tuning in to the Oprah Winfrey show and the local news to gape and goggle at the misfortune of others, offering our  "help" and "tears" while turning a condescending and lesser eye to the victims, all the while feeding viscously off their experiences and misery in a drunken haze of self assurance that we are "better for not being them" or "not doing what they did".

Why would the forums be devoid of such behavior?

You know what's funny rabbit? I see you doing the same exact thing every chance you get. There are some who will get me and some who don't.

I don't care that you don't like me..I don't care that you don't find me credible and I sure as hell don't care that I don't fit into your idea of what righteous is.

If I come off as insensitive to you then so be it. If I come off as condescending to you then so be it.






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RE: Subtle Abuse - 12/29/2008 9:42:53 AM   
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Excellent post MR.

i second that


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