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being married... - 1/26/2007 12:08:15 PM   
rubyleu


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Just curious to know how others feel about Dominants, and submissives that are married, yet have a discreet bdsm relationship with another, withouth their spouse being aware of it. As for the Dominants who are married, do you feel this is an "undomly" quality?
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RE: being married... - 1/26/2007 12:18:04 PM   
mstrjx


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Is 'cheating' undomly?  I don't know.  But it IS cheating.

I've participated (as a third) with married women.  Usually, the dom who recruited me to assist was married as well.

I find it sad.  But it is apparently a sad fact of our world.

I didn't even get started into the Lifestyle until I was divorced.  Even so, I've always been monogamous.

Jeff

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RE: being married... - 1/26/2007 12:21:17 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: rubyleu

Just curious to know how others feel about Dominants, and submissives that are married, yet have a discreet bdsm relationship with another, without their spouse being aware of it.


In general, people here seem to be wildly oposed to it...but I guess I should let them all line up and tell you themselves how dreadful low-down, cheating, hypocritical...etc etc...

Laura

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RE: being married... - 1/26/2007 12:24:22 PM   
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i was married when i "discovered" my submissive side which helped mask the neglect, hurt and pain i was feeling from my ex. my two former Doms are still married however when my divorce was finalized 8 months ago, i decided to shy away from any married Doms. 

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RE: being married... - 1/26/2007 12:24:42 PM   
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One thing about contemplating a relationship with a person married or involved with someone else; you never have to worry or question a couple of the most essential parts of a relationship - Trust and Integrity.

Going in - you know they lack both. It's good to know you have that foundation to build upon at the inception of the relationship instead of finding out later when you've become emotionally involved.

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RE: being married... - 1/26/2007 12:35:18 PM   
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It's cheating.

It's neither domly nor undomly, subly or unsubly- it is unethical and distasteful, for anyone.

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RE: being married... - 1/26/2007 12:38:12 PM   
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According to statistics I read not long ago, a half of all men and two thirds of all women cheat on their partner. Maybe those stats are wrong but other stats give very high rates of cheating too so I guess cheating is part of human nature. It sucks but insisting its wrong isn't going to change it so is it really worth worrying about?

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RE: being married... - 1/26/2007 12:39:11 PM   
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    I have spent over 20 years in a relationship with a 'vanilla' male.  All the while being a domme, both pro and lifestyle.  While we were not married it did not seem to impact anything,  He knew what I did, and was cool with it - but not into it.  Now that we are very newly married, I find myself not wanting to share this side of myself with him nor tell him about my bdsm (potential partners).  I am not sure what has happened to our open and fab relationship?  I can only imagine that I am feeling guilty of being the dominatrix that I have always been.  Maybe I need more time?  I am unsure if I would 'cheat' on him with a sub.  We have been married for 3 months.  So I have not had too much time to do anything about cherating or not.  Anyone (male/female, dom/me or sub) wanna give me their thoughts I would welcome it.  And another thing, it is hard to define cheating with BDSM...  I do not consider playing cheating, but some do.  I think of cheating as sex with bdsm, or any sex.  LOL....  

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RE: being married... - 1/26/2007 12:39:16 PM   
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Unless ALL parties are aware and approve of what's going on, I find it unethical.

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RE: being married... - 1/26/2007 12:52:59 PM   
AquaticSub


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

One thing about contemplating a relationship with a person married or involved with someone else; you never have to worry or question a couple of the most essential parts of a relationship - Trust and Integrity.

Going in - you know they lack both. It's good to know you have that foundation to build upon at the inception of the relationship instead of finding out later when you've become emotionally involved.


Excellently put.

Cheaters are cheaters. I know from personal experience that cheaters can change, but it's probably going to happen because they want the happiness they get from a specific partner who won't put up that BS. It's not domly, it's not subbly, it's not anything but proving that you can't be trusted.

Frankly, if I couldn't trust a man to keep an oath of fidelity/honesty about his partners, is that really the kind of man I want to trust with my life as he ties me up and could do whatever he wants with me? Is he really going to respect the limits we went over before hand? Is he going to listen to me if I tell him something hurts and I need to stop now? I don't know. You probably can be a good dom and a bad husband, but I'd have such an easier time trusting a person who I know kept their word.

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RE: being married... - 1/26/2007 12:54:23 PM   
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I think it's great!  It's a wonderful question.... Everyone should cheat any time they get the opportunity...Nothing unethical about it!  If you were a Dom and somebody dropped their wallet would you tell them?  Another great question!  Hows about ...if you were a Dom and you saw somebody put a cherrybomb in your neighbors mailbox...would you tell your neighbor who it was?   Or....If you were a Dom and you stole cable would you call the company and confess?

This what would a "Dom do" line of questioning is fucking fascinating!   Anyone else have any good questions that they need an answer to?

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p.s. Jesus please protect me from your followers.

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RE: being married... - 1/26/2007 12:56:11 PM   
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Yeah, what's for dinner?

Ron 

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RE: being married... - 1/26/2007 1:00:22 PM   
domiguy


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Some stupid sub's wife I hope.

out.

D.G,

p.s. Jesus please protect me from your followers.

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RE: being married... - 1/26/2007 1:02:17 PM   
LokisBrat


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

One thing about contemplating a relationship with a person married or involved with someone else; you never have to worry or question a couple of the most essential parts of a relationship - Trust and Integrity.

Going in - you know they lack both. It's good to know you have that foundation to build upon at the inception of the relationship instead of finding out later when you've become emotionally involved.


I couldn't have said it anymore eloquently. 

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RE: being married... - 1/26/2007 1:03:25 PM   
Wolfspet


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

One thing about contemplating a relationship with a person married or involved with someone else; you never have to worry or question a couple of the most essential parts of a relationship - Trust and Integrity.

Going in - you know they lack both. It's good to know you have that foundation to build upon at the inception of the relationship instead of finding out later when you've become emotionally involved.


Very nicely put.

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RE: being married... - 1/26/2007 1:04:18 PM   
krista


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Greetings....


quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

It's cheating.

It's neither domly nor undomly, subly or unsubly- it is unethical and distasteful, for anyone.


i beleive you mentioned to me....just the other day LuckyAlbatross....how those within the lifestyle are the most judgmental....Apparently you were correct...

regards
krista
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RE: being married... - 1/26/2007 1:09:09 PM   
LuckyAlbatross


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quote:

ORIGINAL: krista
i beleive you mentioned to me....just the other day LuckyAlbatross....how those within the lifestyle are the most judgmental....Apparently you were correct...

regards
krista
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No, I said that lifestylers are as bad as vanillas in putting others down for being different or saying that they are better than others.

I completely support making judgements- it's an important skill for mature adults to learn how to utilize.

Before you suggest much more- you should know I have certainly cheated in my own past and am fully honest and open about it.

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RE: being married... - 1/26/2007 1:21:00 PM   
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Krista covers LA's face with her enormous jugs...and patiently waits for the kicking to subside....So sad. (Domiguy removes Cubs hat and bows head out of respect)

out.

D.G.

p.s. Jesus please protect me from your fllowers.

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RE: being married... - 1/26/2007 1:27:46 PM   
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I have to agree that cheating is cheating is cheating, makes no difference if it is vanilla, bdsm, play, sex, or whatever.  To me, MHO ONLY, anyone who cheats, or hides an  emotional relationship from a partner will haide something from me.  I also knwo that I deserve better than to be the reason someone cheats.  It is like saying you are "poly" because you have a wife and a girlfriend, but unless both women know about each other and are OK with it, it is just an excuse to cheat.  I have to second what LA just posted, we do all need to make judgement calls - is this car safe, is this food good for me, is that person someone I really want to be involved with.  I also cheated in my past.  I knew my marriage was a very very bad one, but instead of ending it I slept with someone because at the time I "thought" it meant I was still desireable.  The right thing to do would ahve been to end my marriage first.  That marriage was bad and it did end, but it does not make the fact that I cheated any better, nor does the fact that he had been cheating all along.  I have had to face that and deal with it.  Being sneaky, being a liar, has not so much to do with Dom-ness or sub-ness as it has to do with being a good, decent person, honest person.

oh, btw - I have, in my lifetime, found and turned in or returned 3 wallets, 2 very beautiful and expensive gem-stone rings, and an envelope of cash dropped outside a bank.  Karma.  It does not make me better than anyone, it just makes me able to sleep good.
MsOpal

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RE: being married... - 1/26/2007 1:30:58 PM   
krista


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Greetings Lucky Albatross....

i stand corrected.

regards
krista
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