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sapphirepleasure -> Spirituality in BDSM (7/29/2007 7:56:05 AM)

I've been thinking a lot about this lately and how submission (specifically, trust and surrender) is for me a very spiritual thing.  (I do mean spiritual as opposed to religious, and that is also how I define myself.)  I am not seeking a Master who is just into the 'kink' of things, but who will come to know me as a person and connect with me on not just a physical level, but in a way that touches my very soul and guides me to a place of trust and surrender and yes, devotion.  It's so much more than a 'play partner', and though that can be enjoyable from time to time, I long for more, for a deeper connection to someone I can admire and be fully devoted and entrusted to.

So my question is this--are there others who are aware of a spiritual aspect to this lifestyle for you, either as a submissive/slave or as a Master/dominant?  How does this play itself out for you?  Does it lead to deeper levels of connection and growth? 

And just a caveat--I am not implying that wiitwd is devoid of sexuality in any way--I just want to know if others also seek 'more'.



earthycouple -> RE: Spirituality in BDSM (7/29/2007 8:02:46 AM)

I read MasterFireMa'am's posts and know there is so much more there for her than what it is we do....I aspire to walk a path similar one day.  I am sure she will have very insightful things to say here.



velvetears -> RE: Spirituality in BDSM (7/29/2007 8:54:14 AM)

There is a spiritual aspect to all the things i do in my life - they are intertwined, so to answer your question yes most definately.  Hard to find others who are on the same page though.



sapphirepleasure -> RE: Spirituality in BDSM (7/29/2007 9:01:22 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: velvetears

There is a spiritual aspect to all the things i do in my life - they are intertwined, so to answer your question yes most definately.  Hard to find others who are on the same page though.


Yes, I think that it's the same for me.  And I am realizing that that's what's been missing so far and why I still am unowned (or at least a significant part of it). 

It's not that I have to spiritualize or put that spin on everything in my life--I am very 'carnal' as well and it's been a challenge to acknowledge, accept and balance the two as well.

I just remembered that the first Master who initially said he wanted to own me and then had second thoughts gave as one of his reasons that he didn't know if he was as spiritual as I was so maybe it wasn't a good fit.  In my mind he was a very in tune, intuitive and kind man and I had no concerns about any lack of spirituality.  It doesn't have to be talked about to be experienced, but it is an important aspect to me and maybe it could lead to someone feeling intimidated or questioning if they are on the same page?  Just a thought.



sublizzie -> RE: Spirituality in BDSM (7/29/2007 9:55:24 AM)

For me this is about much more than simply sex. This is about being myself from the core out, which encompasses the entirety of my being including my spirituality. I don't have casual sex or BDSM or D/s because that's a straight shot into the core of *me* not just my body. This may be why I'm still unowned. I'm very, very picky about who gets access to the core of who I am.



ownedgirlie -> RE: Spirituality in BDSM (7/29/2007 10:03:09 AM)

Heavens he touches me through to my core being, beyond where I dared to venture myself.  I feel his energy - he depletes me and then he fills me once again.  As I was being wheeled into the OR last week I literally felt him right there with me - I could smell him, feel him, taste him - it was amazing, and I instantly calmed.

My sexuality is where I've been most vulnerable, and became a tool he used to reach me.  It was one of several tools, but a way of sharing energy to ultimately and over time reach such a connection.

Is it spiritual?  I think so.  Spirituality can be defined many ways.  I worship him, I adore him, I feel him, and he has become my center.  Without the energy and strength he gives me, I would not be where I am now.  He is not God - hell I don't even know who or what God is anymore.  But he has initiated my exploration into myself and it's been an amazing journey.

Good luck in your search.



MasterMataeo -> RE: Spirituality in BDSM (7/29/2007 10:10:34 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: sapphirepleasure

I've been thinking a lot about this lately and how submission (specifically, trust and surrender) is for me a very spiritual thing.  (I do mean spiritual as opposed to religious, and that is also how I define myself.)  I am not seeking a Master who is just into the 'kink' of things, but who will come to know me as a person and connect with me on not just a physical level, but in a way that touches my very soul and guides me to a place of trust and surrender and yes, devotion.  It's so much more than a 'play partner', and though that can be enjoyable from time to time, I long for more, for a deeper connection to someone I can admire and be fully devoted and entrusted to.

So my question is this--are there others who are aware of a spiritual aspect to this lifestyle for you, either as a submissive/slave or as a Master/dominant?  How does this play itself out for you?  Does it lead to deeper levels of connection and growth? 

And just a caveat--I am not implying that wiitwd is devoid of sexuality in any way--I just want to know if others also seek 'more'.



as a Master ,, the spiritual conecton is an important one,, for it is attached apon manylevels,, for me ,, i open upnad let one in  and thus the trust honesty,communication and respect are keys to the unlcking of that shared spirtuality , which takes time to develope,, and like any realationship ,, you only get what you give into it,,,

MasterMataeo



szobras -> RE: Spirituality in BDSM (7/29/2007 10:31:18 AM)

 The spiritual aspects for me are what connect all areas of my life, not define what is found within each. Yes, WIITWD for me is indeed a vehicle to to recognize such through actions and experiences. Spirituality is a word that is quite loaded by different peoples ideas, and perceptions of just "what spirituality is". For me, simply, spiritual aspects are something that are experienced, and doing our best, attempted to convey through words.



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Spirituality in BDSM (7/29/2007 11:03:56 AM)

http://www.collarchat.com/m_759471/mpage_2/key_religion/tm.htm#761510
bdsm and christianity to me

http://www.collarchat.com/m_651144/mpage_1/key_christian/tm.htm#651149
"Christian" bdsm?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_101393/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#101393
bdsm lifestyle vs christianity/religion

http://www.collarchat.com/m_112713/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#112713
bdsm spirituality???

http://www.collarchat.com/m_114995/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#114995
Christianity and ds bdsm

http://www.collarchat.com/m_154410/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#154410
a sacred take on bdsm

http://www.collarchat.com/m_168844/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#168844
bdsm and religion

http://www.collarchat.com/m_176205/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#176205
sensuality & religion = what?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_193896/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#193896
religion and bdsm

http://www.collarchat.com/m_275551/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#275551
christians everywhere!

http://www.collarchat.com/m_323932/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#323932
no...not the spiritual trip

http://www.collarchat.com/m_299050/mpage_1/key_faith%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#299050
power and spirit

http://www.collarchat.com/m_133611/mpage_1/key_spirituality%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#133611
bdsm and spirituality?



sapphirepleasure -> RE: Spirituality in BDSM (7/29/2007 11:49:02 AM)

Yes, I know it's been addressed before, but I was hoping to engage in a discussion about it.  Do you have any thoughts on the topic?



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Spirituality in BDSM (7/29/2007 11:51:13 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: sapphirepleasure
Yes, I know it's been addressed before, but I was hoping to engage in a discussion about it.  Do you have any thoughts on the topic?

I've got many well formed thoughts on this topic.

They are all in those other threads I linked to.

Which would you prefer- some off the cuff response I could conjure up here and now while I'm not done with my first coke of the morning?  Or many well thought responses I've made over the years giving a much broader and deeper view of my perspective and how I see it applies?

Cuz if you want the crappy limited immediate answer, I can give you that.



octavia -> RE: Spirituality in BDSM (7/29/2007 11:53:47 AM)

This has been very heavy on my mind lately.  For me, I didn't even know how very important it was for me to find someone who has a spiritual strength as well, or rather that is the strength that I have been craving.  I did met someone here on cm, whom I seem to have a lot in common with spiritually.  It is .. amazing.  The connection that I feel with him.  I don't know what that will translate to in the long run, only time will tell, but for sure I am filled with gratitude for the eye opening and fulfilling experience of finding one I could trust to want the same things and  therefor lead to the places I would joyfully go.   I had been avoiding this spiritual need of mine I think, and is why no matter how well a Dom would fit what I said I wanted, I would still feel restless and just not quite right.  I have no idea if this dating relationship is going to last, or how far it will go, but I do know that I have discovered a part of myself that i would be hard pressed to ignore again.



NefertariReborn -> RE: Spirituality in BDSM (7/29/2007 12:53:12 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: velvetears

There is a spiritual aspect to all the things i do in my life - they are intertwined, so to answer your question yes most definately.  Hard to find others who are on the same page though.


I must be even more rare then since I find Mine is both spiritual and religious.  I find balance in the rituals of My judeo-christian faith.  There is a trust in knowing what comes next, the symbols, even the incense.  I have often hoped that My slave would find balance in the rituals I incorporatee into My D/s dynamic, some of them taken right out religious dogma.  I'm overly fond of watersports.  To Me it is baptism and doesn't hold that "humiliation" aspect that some see or crave.  To Me it is one of ownership, renewal, dare I say love? 

And the D/s dynamic at it's core harkens back to My faith.  Submit to G_d and be led and everthing that you thought you lost in giving is returned to you 10X more.  When Mine gives up something for Me, after the initial rush for Me, My natural inclination is to do more for him than he might have even expected. 

Those are just some of My thoughts on the topic. 



dawntreader -> RE: Spirituality in BDSM (7/29/2007 1:12:18 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: sapphirepleasure

So my question is this--are there others who are aware of a spiritual aspect to this lifestyle for you, either as a submissive/slave or as a Master/dominant?  How does this play itself out for you?  Does it lead to deeper levels of connection and growth? 




Yes, my spiritual path is entertwined with my submission. i think of it as following my personal Dao~



DarkDaddyZ -> RE: Spirituality in BDSM (7/29/2007 1:56:34 PM)

Though this topic has been approached before to me, the deeper connection I have with a partner, the more intense our energy and especially our physical play and that to me is a spiritual connection, the breaking of taboos and boundaries or my favorite equation (regardless the number of partners): 1+1=1



subjected2006 -> RE: Spirituality in BDSM (7/29/2007 2:06:39 PM)

Heck yes..I know for some others these relationships can be purely mechanics ..but for me,
it's very spiritual..
D/s seems to be the way of the entire world.
At least thats how I see it,
part of something much bigger than just two or three people together
Finding my place made me whole.
In touch..connected ,and alive.
That's joyful..and fulfilling..



MasterFireMaam -> RE: Spirituality in BDSM (7/29/2007 9:21:36 PM)

It is my calling to be a Master. This is a spiritual journey for me. By surrendering myself to the Universe and this calling, I find out who I truly am. Those who serve me are doing so because they feel called to serve...and for whatever reasons, that service involves me.

In each pairing, we each serve many things. 1st, we serve ourselves by following a path that fulfills us. I have a huge Servant side...and could probably be a non-sexual service slave in an appreciative household very easily. However, it is my calling to Master. This is what fulfills me in a way that being a slave does not (I've checked). My girl is just the opposite and so she is called to slavery. 2nd, we serve each other. I serve my houshold and the members there-in. This is part of my calling, too. I am Guide, Teacher, Master, Servant, Warrior and Priestess to those who would follow. I do this is such a way as to try and create an atmosphere that is positive and nurturing so that we can all become more than what we are. 3rd, we serve something outside ourselves. For me, this is the Universe, in mostly a Buddhist/Metaphysics/Native American fashion. I have people in my household, either collared or not, in various stages of development along these three points.

If any of this speaks to you, I highly recommend two events. One is Southwest Leather Conference in January of each year in Phoenix, AZ. This link will take you to last year's pages. http://www.southwestleather.org/danceofsouls.php Look at the Dance of Souls and also at the workshop titles. Then, keep an eye on http://www.southwestleather.org to see the info on 2008 when it gets updates.

The second event is smaller. It's officially called "The APEX Academy in the Butchmanns Tradition" but us junkies and instructors simply call it Butchmanns. http://www.arizonapowerexchange.org/AcademyHome.htm There's a women's weekend coming up in a few weeks...and another pansexual event in October.

Both of these events focus on the spirituality of BDSM and Ms.

Master Fire



BoiJen -> RE: Spirituality in BDSM (7/30/2007 1:54:42 AM)

Her happiness is equal to my wellbeing. In my opinion. So yeah it is spitirual. As Her's I see through the masks of "hey look I'm smiling" and I "feel" when things aren't good or if I've fucked up on something. I turn around almos immediatelyif Her coffee isn't right and go "oh! more milk/honey?" and generally I'm right on. "Get out of My head" is one of Her favorite lines to tell me. But yes the connection is much larger than just myself. And that's what's humbling about it all



dawntreader -> RE: Spirituality in BDSM (7/30/2007 3:17:25 AM)

MasterFireMaam,
 
You are always an inspiration to me~



LATEXBABY64 -> RE: Spirituality in BDSM (7/31/2007 10:51:22 AM)

this is a good topic you see there are three sides to BDSM mind body and spirit. we often forget the last one. i see this means different things to a lot of people. you know your connected to someone when you can feel their thoughts and not be with them. that is a spiritual connection. I had a Dom tell me he can control his sub by thought.. is it possible do not know  but he said it had a lot to do with the spiritual connection they shared like they were one and the same life force. I thought this was totally cool. I have seen this with couples that have been married for years. or as a mother to a child. so i see many point to t his a very cool post



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