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Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/22/2007 9:21:07 AM

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I have heard the term "breaking a sub and/or slave" several times. I know I will get many diverse answers to this question which will help me to understand the concept better. What does the term "breaking a sub and/or slave " mean? From what I have gathered thus far its a breaking of a will or spirit....

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RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/22/2007 9:30:29 AM

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That is my understanding of the phrase. It's not something I've ever seen actually practiced, only heard of it in erotic stories.

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RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/22/2007 10:36:28 AM

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It is about the murder of a part of the mind of the natural slave (not just any slave or person). It requires a reliable owner or master. Caution: It should not be attempted by inept, untrained people that do not know what they are doing. Also it should only be done upon request of the slave.

A submissive cannot be broken. It is antithetical to their nature and would waste them.

See also this recent thread: http://www.collarchat.com/m_1354043/tm.htm

I wrote before about this in another recent thread, but cannot find it any more, so perhaps that thread was pulled.

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RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/22/2007 10:40:27 AM

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LOL some people need to either close their computer down or STOP reading so many fantasy books!!!!

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RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/22/2007 12:42:42 PM

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guest44 you should know what you are talking about before you answer.

     Yes it is a break down of the mind and spirit. It is not something that is easially explained but I will try to give you the readers digest version.
       To break a slave. Is to take away there spirit and there willingness to do anything but be amindless robot. In the end all they say is yes and do as commanded without thought to themselves at all. It can be done very easially.   Techniques like this are used every day in basic training for our troops. If a D was going to to do this to a slave it would be brought to the next level and they would be totally broked down and not built back up. It is not a pretty sight and is very sad to see. What is more sad is when the slave is broken and then released. That is a sight that will turn your stomach. I would personally rather see a wild animal caged then see that again.

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RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/22/2007 12:46:47 PM

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ITS not so much breaking as to redirecting their thinking,Who wants a mindless creature I sure don't,I require an educated free thinking girl that matches my intelligence,,,To break hard and try to mend is a terrible waste of a slave...bounty

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RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/22/2007 12:54:19 PM

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Just waiting for MrDiscipline44 to come along and answer as one of his sig lines speaks of needing to break someone if you love them

. I've often wondered about that and am interested in what everyone responding has to say..................luci

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RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/22/2007 12:54:26 PM

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"If a D was going to to do this to a slave it would be brought to the next level and they would be totally broked down and not built back up."

Why would You assume this? From my understanding, more often than not, a slave is broken in order to be reshaped into something else. Or broken so as to become totally dependent upon one's Owner- as in Internal Enslavement. Certainly, a Dom ~could~ break a slave and release her- and some irresponsible Dom's no doubt do; however, I don't believe that's the norm- or the goal- of most.

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RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/22/2007 12:57:35 PM

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From my understanding, more often than not, a slave is broken in order to be reshaped into something else

Not to get into a whole debate about semantics, but to me there is a difference between "breaking" someone and "molding" and/or "shaping" them. A BIG difference. For me personally, I desire to be molded and directed so that I can become the ideal of what my Master desires. I have no desire to be "broken" in anyway neither does He have the desire to do so. To us, "broken" implies damaged and that's not His goal...................luci

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RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/22/2007 1:07:40 PM

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"Not to get into a whole debate about semantics, but to me there is a difference between "breaking" someone and "molding" and/or "shaping" them. A BIG difference. For me personally, I desire to be molded and directed so that I can become the ideal of what my Master desires. I have no desire to be "broken" in anyway neither does He have the desire to do so. To us, "broken" implies damaged and that's not His goal...................luci "

Perfectly understood- but I was not endorsing the breaking of slaves, nor was I bashing it. While it's not for you, that's not to say it's not something another desires- or even needs. When a person breaks a bone and it heals incorrectly- a doctor often needs to be break it again and reset it. So, while it may imply damage, in at least some instances it is actually necessary and therapeutic. Let the same doctor break another person's bone and it's assault and malpractice. It all boils down to the individual's needs...

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RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/22/2007 1:09:57 PM

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ITS not so much breaking as to redirecting their thinking,Who wants a mindless creature I sure don't,I require an educated free thinking girl that matches my intelligence,,,To break hard and try to mend is a terrible waste of a slave...bounty

This is my understanding of it, from past experience. It can be pretty down & dirty, can rub some feelings raw, but if it is making positive and noticable change then the hurt feelings don't last long, eh?

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RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/22/2007 1:17:32 PM

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Perfectly understood- but I was not endorsing the breaking of slaves, nor was I bashing it. While it's not for you, that's not to say it's not something another desires- or even needs

No argument here. I would never set myself up as the judge of what anyone else wants or needs. Only what I do or do not want or need

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When a person breaks a bone and it heals incorrectly- a doctor often needs to be break it again and reset it. So, while it may imply damage, in at least some instances it is actually necessary and therapeutic. Let the same doctor break another person's bone and it's assault and malpractice. It all boils down to the individual's needs...

Very good point. Thanks for making it..............luci

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RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/22/2007 1:22:10 PM

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Hi luci...

No problem...it's actually something I have read a bit about, as I had a hard time with the concept itself ~ever~ being positive when I first heard of it, too.

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RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/22/2007 1:33:57 PM

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My understanding of breaking is breaking down someone mentally, and emotionally... I've seen it attempted with extremely negative and destructive results that left the person well mentally impaired probably for the rest of their life... but I've seen it attempted in which it motivated the submissive person to put their foot down firmly, and never look back accomplishing much in their life so far and still pushing themselves more...

But when all is said, and done my question is.... "Why would anyone want anyone or thing broken?"... In both instances I've seen the ones attempting to do the breaking.... shouldn't be allowed to care for a rat let alone another human being... so for me I guess I kinda know why some would want a broken thing.

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RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/22/2007 1:54:30 PM

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"In both instances I've seen the ones attempting to do the breaking.... shouldn't be allowed to care for a rat let alone another human being..."

See what Rule wrote on the subject above; I can't add much. Who does it, how, why and to whom makes all the difference in the world. This is not something that should be played at; it's serious business...and best left for people that know what they are doing- and the reasons they are doing it.

Submitting to a person that should not be allowed to care for a rat- whether they try to break you or not- is not in anybody's best interest.

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RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/22/2007 2:07:52 PM

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My oldest shows horses. I've seen horse trainers break a horse's spirit so it won't ever misbehave. Thankfully these days such trainers get exposed and banned by the show circuit eventually.

We prefer not to force a horse into activities he doesn't enjoy. There's a woman I know that has been trying to teach her horse to do well in jumping classes for over five years. It isn't ever going to happen. But as a trail horse, he's the one you want to be on.

Breaking a person is the same kind of thing. You decide she would earn more money going to law school and force her, regardless of the fact that she's always wanted to be an art teacher. The world will be missing a good art teacher and unfortunately have one more incompetent lawyer.

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RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/22/2007 2:39:09 PM

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See what Rule wrote on the subject above; I can't add much. Who does it, how, why and to whom makes all the difference in the world. This is not something that should be played at; it's serious business...and best left for people that know what they are doing- and the reasons they are doing it.

It happened to a friend of mine in about 1985. He (and many, many others) was deemed a failure by his torturer - a very evil person with an evil purpose - and was allocated to a master. My friend was very happy with his master. It lasted about five years. Then one morning he woke and his master was not there. (This and more I learned from a book that he wrote and that I read postumously one year ago.)
In 2003 he married a new master and four months later, wanting a divorce, he was murdered by his husband and master.

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RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/22/2007 4:14:23 PM

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I would never want a submissive that I had to "break", and I would
never deal with a submissive that wants to be "broken".
It goes against what I am about and what I am looking for.

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RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/22/2007 7:20:39 PM

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Hi luci...

No problem...it's actually something I have read a bit about, as I had a hard time with the concept itself ~ever~ being positive when I first heard of it, too.

sNs

I would be interested in reading these articles you have read about it.

Given the M/S couples I have met in real time and the fact that I dont equate the deveoping of the codepency of Internal Enslavement with what I am personally conceptualizing as "breaking" someone, I'm somewhat tempted to write this off as an Internet discussion that has very little practicality in real time. (Hey but given some of the profiles I am reading of a few of our commentors here, what can you expect?).

But since I like your posts, I am willing to be open minded about this.

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RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/22/2007 8:06:54 PM

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Reposted:
Lots of people need breaking, or at least breaking of lots of bad habits. I had to break my local partner of a LOT of things before we could become serious together.

Some doms also have a "break and remold" fetish thing going as well. The reality is that breaking someone down and bringing them up again is a huge time and energy intensive operation that few have the skill and ability to do well.

But breaking someone down and building them up is certainly possible, and in some cases beneficial.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_625634/mpage_1/key_breaking/tm.htm#625730
Being Broken

http://www.collarchat.com/m_584608/mpage_1/key_breaking/tm.htm#584703
Breaking (2)

http://www.collarchat.com/m_374431/mpage_2/key_breaking/tm.htm#374702
slaves being broken

http://www.collarchat.com/m_282350/mpage_1/key_breaking/tm.htm#282444
breaking

http://www.collarchat.com/m_189190/mpage_3/key_breaking/tm.htm#191277
breaking stubbornness

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