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gracefulspydr -> What does love got to do with it? (8/19/2006 10:03:13 PM)

Love tends to bring about loyalty then one would usually
have with dealing with anybody that you know. You can love
and not like, as a wise man once told me. But to put it into
a D/s or an M/s relationship brings upon a different dynamic
within it. It also brings more loyalty and to many a way to
be able to obey a lot easier and smoothly. Though it can work
without love and all of its subsidiaries, it does tend to
work a little more smoothly with the love, which has the
like imbued into it. Now how does love actually influence
a D/s or M/s relationship?




angielouwhos -> RE: What does love got to do with it? (8/19/2006 10:11:21 PM)

I have trouble talking about love as a noun. Its much more a verb to me, and as such its a choice that one makes in their relationships every day. Its not something I can "fall into" or "fall out of ".

Its not about chemistry (certainly sex is somewhat about that though). Its not really magical either but it is hard to do over time and as such is one of our highest callings, in my opinion. We should love a lot more people than we do in our lives in general. I love the ancient greek philosophy of dividing the love thing into three types of it.

Loyalty is one part of love and an admirable one. I think any connection we make in life whether it be your college room mate or your most passionate D/s relationship should have love in it and it will be all the better for it.




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: What does love got to do with it? (8/19/2006 10:19:38 PM)

http://www.collarchat.com/m_538921/mpage_1/key_love/tm.htm#538965
The Loving Dom

http://www.collarchat.com/m_499831/mpage_1/key_love/tm.htm#499881
Don't fall in love with your dom

http://www.collarchat.com/m_477568/mpage_3/key_love/tm.htm#484997
How common is it to fall in love with a submissive or dominant?

http://www.collarchat.com/tm.asp?m=423736&mpage=1&key=love&#423879
Love and Ms

http://www.collarchat.com/m_282567/mpage_1/key_love/tm.htm#282615
submissive/slave romantic love

http://www.collarchat.com/m_269031/mpage_1/key_love%252Csubmission/tm.htm#269120
Falling in love with Mistress

http://www.collarchat.com/m_248492/mpage_1/key_love/tm.htm#248492
true love in a relationship

http://www.collarchat.com/m_236486/mpage_1/key_love/tm.htm#236486
balancing commitment and love

http://www.collarchat.com/m_199915/mpage_1/key_love/tm.htm#199915
love in bdsm

http://www.collarchat.com/m_166085/mpage_1/key_love/tm.htm#166085
love and D/s

http://www.collarchat.com/m_65043/mpage_1/key_love/tm.htm#65043
love and bdsm (the unfettered heart)

http://www.collarchat.com/m_150281/mpage_1/key_love/tm.htm#150281
Is it normal to fall in love with your dom during training?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_125880/mpage_1/key_love/tm.htm#125880
not allowed to love him, what do I do?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_119832/mpage_1/key_love/tm.htm#119832
being owned or being loved

http://www.collarchat.com/m_97124/mpage_1/key_love/tm.htm#97124
subs/masochists and love

http://www.collarchat.com/m_31285/mpage_1/key_love/tm.htm#31285
can love get in the way?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_14998/mpage_1/key_love/tm.htm#14998
love in d/s

http://www.collarchat.com/m_2491/mpage_1/key_love/tm.htm#2491
is love important in a relationship?




Sunshine119 -> RE: What does love got to do with it? (8/19/2006 10:21:54 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: gracefulspydr

Though it can work
without love and all of its subsidiaries, it does tend to
work a little more smoothly with the love, which has the
like imbued into it. Now how does love actually influence
a D/s or M/s relationship?



My love for him makes dealing with the less attractive parts of my role as submissive possible.  I am a very strong woman who is only submissive to him.  Living in a D/s relationship every moment of our lives would be impossible without the love.  For instance, if I didn't love him with my entire being, I might be more inclined (since we are both employed full time) to tell him do more around the house and to get his own damn ice tea when I'm tired and worn out.  And.....why the hell isn't he getting me an iced tea while he's at it???

Love keeps me submissive at times like this.......and I get the iced tea for both of us.....lol.  And, even if it irks me to do so, afterwards I am pleased with myself that I did.  It's the silly little things for which love makes the difference.

Sunshine




SexyRed -> RE: What does love got to do with it? (8/19/2006 10:36:13 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: gracefulspydr

Love tends to bring about loyalty then one would usually
have with dealing with anybody that you know. You can love
and not like, as a wise man once told me. But to put it into
a D/s or an M/s relationship brings upon a different dynamic
within it. It also brings more loyalty and to many a way to
be able to obey a lot easier and smoothly. Though it can work
without love and all of its subsidiaries, it does tend to
work a little more smoothly with the love, which has the
like imbued into it. Now how does love actually influence
a D/s or M/s relationship?



I find this a very interesting question. I experienced the "love without liking", as your wise man has put it, in my last relationship. It was also the most intense BDSM relationship I have ever had.

The only way I can answer your query as to how love influenced the relationship is to say that it became very complicated. I have no idea why I thought I loved this man, I know I lusted for him and LOVED the BDSM connection, so I think I used the feeling of love to justify being with someone who I knew, deep inside, was not right for me.

I think that people often fool themselves into thinking they are in love, when in reality it is just attachment to the feeling that is engendered by an intense connection to another.

This is why so many relationships are doomed, because the partners did not have that basic "like" , which cements the love bond.

In BDSM, I think the necessity to have the feelings you want to feel, inflames the feeling of love, even though it is not necessarily real. It also makes for manipulation from the Dom side as well as the sub side, when it is unhealthy.

I hope I made sense, I am dead tired.




porcelaine -> RE: What does love got to do with it? (8/19/2006 10:54:36 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: gracefulspydr

Though it can work without love and all of its subsidiaries, it does tend to work a little more smoothly with the love, which has the like imbued into it. Now how does love actually influence a D/s or M/s relationship?



I can only speak for my experiences but I find that I am far more open, giving, creative, and empathetic when my heart is engaged. When we connect as master and slave, I am offering every part of my being. To withhold the emotional bond and expression of the heart would leave me feeling empty and unfulfilled. Through love my passion and sensuality are heightened. I discover varying degrees of patience and confidence in myself and my partner. But most of all there is a quiet peace, a sacrosanctity if you may that transcends and amplifies everything we've shared and experienced as a pair. Love is the cement that binds us as one.

porcelaine




ownedgirlie -> RE: What does love got to do with it? (8/19/2006 10:54:55 PM)

I believe it is my love for him which opens channels by which to receive his energy, and in turn release my energy back to him.   It is love that makes our connection as strong as it is, and love - mixed with his power and my submission - which binds me so strongly to him. 




Quivver -> RE: What does love got to do with it? (8/20/2006 6:30:43 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SexyRed

This is why so many relationships are doomed, because the partners did not have that basic "like" , which cements the love bond.

I hope I made sense, I am dead tired.


Made perfect sense to me Red.  I had a real time relationship with one I could have grown to love yet
but there were enough parts in him that I didnt like.  Didnt like led to not being things I could deal with. 
So I removed myself from it.  To this day I still think warmly about him, hope he's doing well, and actually miss serving him.  But I also know if I had stayed, my submission would have continued to be supressed by me over the issues I didnt like. 

Q




KatyLied -> RE: What does love got to do with it? (8/20/2006 6:36:19 AM)

I can be loyal to people I do not love.  It's not an issue with me.




NastyDaddy -> RE: What does love got to do with it? (8/20/2006 6:42:17 AM)

Judging from many of the profiles on the other side, there seem to be prerequisites to love in the lifestyle... the biggest one seems to be currency related, with justifications such as "my Master needs to have lots of money, so we can love each other and have lots of fun"! --- You gotta just LOVE that kind of ''love leverage''! 










KatyLied -> RE: What does love got to do with it? (8/20/2006 6:45:43 AM)

Yep.  And when I read about many who can't submit without love all I can think is - they must fall in love a lot.  Or I look at love a lot differently than they do.  Or they luckily find their "one" the first time they search.  I recently wrote a journal entry about this very topic.




Quivver -> RE: What does love got to do with it? (8/20/2006 6:53:07 AM)

Just for the record, I too dont belive one has to love to serve and or be loyal.  Although with love it somehow makes things alot easier. 




catize -> RE: What does love got to do with it? (8/20/2006 7:24:19 AM)

quote:

Now how does love actually influence
a D/s or M/s relationship? 


In my case, I don't think love influences anything. The dynamic is about mutual respect which springs from the fact he takes his responsibilities as dominant as seriously as I take my responsibilities of submission.  Compatibility within all aspects of our relationship, the fact that we enjoy each other's company, have a matching sense of humor, and have the same goals within WIITWD.
As Tina Turner sings, "What's love got to do, got to do with it?  It's just a second hand emotion." 




KnightofMists -> RE: What does love got to do with it? (8/20/2006 7:27:09 AM)

it depends on the relationship..... love will have varying affects on each relationship.  No one relationship will be entirely the same or have entirely the same affects.




Quivver -> RE: What does love got to do with it? (8/20/2006 7:46:59 AM)

Amen! 

[:)]




happypervert -> RE: What does love got to do with it? (8/20/2006 8:01:29 AM)

quote:

Love tends to bring about loyalty then one would usually have with dealing with anybody that you know. <snip> It also brings more loyalty and to many a way to
be able to obey a lot easier and smoothly. Though it can work without love and all of its subsidiaries, it does tend to work a little more smoothly with the love, which has the like imbued into it.

What I see here are a bunch of assumptions stated as absolute fact; I think it would be better if this were preceded by the words "In my opinion". Furthermore, by putting this slant before asking for opinions on the question essentialy tries to bias folks to agree with you, so I'll just strongly disagree with this one part (though I really don't buy any of your argument):

"it does tend to work a little more smoothly with the love,"

I believe this is rubbish because love is irrational and it makes people crazy. Just look around at the dramas and insanity around here and you'll usually see it all done in the name of love. Take away the love and people calm down and act rationally; THEN things can work more smoothly. In the cases where relationships work smoothly with love, it is because you have sane people involved and NOT because of the love.

People are desperate for love; they want it so badly they'll even attribute mystical powers to it as we can see here. I think that illustrates that love can just as easily be a detriment to having a healthy relationship as it can be to contribute to it -- people have unrealistic expectations about what love can do and so they fuck things up.

I want love just like anyone else, but I try not to get carried away into fantasy land by it.




Jasmyn -> RE: What does love got to do with it? (8/20/2006 8:15:29 AM)

[:)] nice answer HP ...




WhipTheHip -> RE: What does love got to do with it? (8/20/2006 11:03:19 AM)

What is "M/s"?  I hope it is not muscular dystrophy.
 
Okay, I got it.  Master / slave
 
What do they call the relationship between a sadist and a masochist
"S/m"?




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