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sammiebabygirl -> RE: subspace? (9/30/2007 8:25:08 AM)
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i have posted on subspace on various boards. Here are my examples;
Although there are those who would disagree, the general consensus
is
> that "subspace" from BDSM play is brought on by the body's natural
> narcotic-like substance, ENDORPHINS. Endorphins are released in
response to
> pain, in order to make it more bearable. In addition to fighting
discomfort,
> it also produces euphoria not unlike morphine or codeine. Although
tickling
> doesn't actually inflict pain, it can be intensely uncomfortable and
> disconcerting at times, and your body reacts to your distress.
Endorphins
> are also released during orgasm, which accounts for the blissful
euphoric
> feeling afterwards. I also understand that most people, especially
women,
> release endorphins naturally when eating chocolate.
>
> This explains the common phrase, "Give me the chocolate, and no one
> gets hurt!"
>
> When i enter "sub space" during a tickling session, I am often
in so deep that I cannot give a safe word. With experienced ticklers
I do not have to worry about this. They are
knowledgeable enough to read my body language and know when to stop.
This article was sent to me from a submissive woman in a BDSM group
I belong to.
>
> >Subspace, huh? A fascinating topic! Should be interesting to try
to
> >describe ...
> >
> >First, it is real. It may certainly be a "place" of mind that
> >"wannabees" fantasize about, romanticize, and try to reach or
achieve.
> >As a base comparison, let's use orgasm as a reference/focal point.
And,
> >let me say that I speak only, or mainly for myself, or perhaps the
> >woman's, or submissive's, point of view.
> >
> >Long, long ago :), I "struggled" with having an orgasm with a
partner.
> >I could enjoy sex, but found myself unable to achieve orgasm in the
> >presence of another. On a more general scale, compare that feeling
with
> >being able, or not, to masturbate with someone else watching. It
was
> >simply embarrassing to have another's eyes upon you as you "lost"
> >control, for even a minute, as the body experienced an orgasmic
state --
> >it was knowing (from private moments masturbating) that one would
lose
> >"control" for those few moments when orgasm occurred. I do suggest
that
> >most men do not, or would not "fight" the feelings of release that
occur
> >with orgasm with a partner. In fact, a man may feel that orgasm
was the
> >goal and run to achieve it, or prolong their pleasure by slowly
building
> >up to it.
> >
> >I quickly learned that it was "alright" to run toward this goal. I
also
> >realized that I had to learn to openly give up mindful control to
my own
> >body to achieve it. My orgasms were a giving up "control" of my
body TO
> >ITSELF, and letting the natural orgasm take place. Orgasm, with a
> >partner, was the next step we learn or simply experience, following
> >private masturbation. It is a trust in one's own body to be able
to go
> >to that place where orgasm occurs, and a knowing acceptance that
one
> >does not, technically, have control of one's self, in the presence
of
> >another. Perhaps this orgasmic state came naturally, and without
> >self-questioning for many, if not most people. But, for me, this
giving
> >up, or losing control, was a process I had to identify, "learn",
and
> >practice. :)
> >
> >Now, that said as background, one has a beginning point toward
> >understanding "subspace". Do you know where your mind goes during
those
> >brief moments of actual orgasm? No, but it is a pleasant and
desirable
> >place. Likewise, are you completely "lost" or "zombie-like" when
orgasm
> >occurs? Of course not. But, have you given up control and
followed the
> >path your mind and physical body takes to reach the place of
orgasm,
> >knowing that nothing terrible or frightening is going to happen?
Yes.
> >
> >It is the same for "subspace". Taking it a step further, I would
even
> >suggest that it is a form of self-hypnosis. Self-hypnosis, in a
sense,
> >that we use every day --- perhaps an example would be "counting" to
fall
> >asleep. Or, perhaps on a "negative" side, think of where your mind
goes
> >when sitting in the dentist's chair during a long or difficult
> >procedure. Do you "escape" via music, images, etc., to a "safe"
place
> >where you minimize the pain? That is also a form of self-hypnosis.
One
> >is still totally aware of the procedure, but one "escapes" to a
place
> >where the mind is able to accept and "control" the emotions of
fear,
> >pain, etc.
> >
> >"Subspace" is like that self-hypnotic state that one initially
flees to,
> >to escape the pain because physical circuits are intense and
approaching
> >overload. Conversely, and on a "positive" note, one has reached
the
> >point (similar to orgasm), where trust is completely placed in
another
> >person, unconditionally, and the body and mind are actually acutely
> >aware of the feelings of "pleasurable pain" and concentrates
solely on
> >that feeling. Physically, adrenalin and endorphins are released,
> >providing their own "natural" high, enhancing and maximizing the
> >feelings of pleasure (and submission).
> >
> >I would suppose that it is the place, individualized, that say,
marathon
> >runners go to in their mind when running a grueling course. They
find a
> >way of self-hypnosis to escape the physical pain their bodies are
going
> >thru and prolong their endurance and find that level of a "natural"
> >high. Thru the "self-hypnosis process, they minimize the
background,
> >the outside world, and become one with their running. They are not
> >unaware or blind to the background, but their concentration is
focused
> >and expanded within.
> >
> >The same is true when one crosses the line to "subspace". One is
not
> >"lost" beyond reason, but one finds the ultimate level of trust and
> >release in one's own body and mind. And, with the proper partner,
one
> >experiences complete trust, knowing that this person (partner) will
not
> >harm you or attempt to take you beyond a safe level, but rather a
trust
> >that this person will actually enhance and strengthen the feelings
of
> >trust and thereby, lead the mind to a more intense place of
pleasure,
> >heightened and concentrated awareness.
> >
> >Needless to say, it takes a skilled partner to bring the other to
such a
> >place. It is a deep intimacy shared between two people who have
> >learned, or are close to learning, complete trust in each other.
More from my group:
O.k., here's a naive question. If subspace is a good thing......
(am I understanding this right - you are on a natural high due to the
activity - tickling - that that's all you can concentrate on...?)
..if it's a good thing, why would this be the time for a safe word?
M
my answer
Let me try to explain it as it pertains to me. i am basically a masochistic
ticklee. The level of ecstasy that i achieve from being sadistically tickle
tortured is so great that i am unable to distinguish if any of my biological
functioning is impaired. When i enter the state of sub space, i am at the
"climax" of this ecstasy. If there is any impairment i cannot, therefore
recognize or communicate the need for the torture to stop. i must rely on my
tickler to learn to read my body language. Check my breathing and generally make
sure that i'm ok. i cannot give a safe word at this point and don't believe that
they are helpful.
i know that this puts a lot of responsibility on the tickler and both trust and
an acceptance of this responsibility should be discussed before the session
starts.
jen
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