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Embarasment vs Humiliation - 8/27/2006 10:08:00 AM

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What in your own personal oppinion is the defference between something very embarasing and something humiliating? I'm not looking for the dictionary definition here because this is something I think each person determins for themselves. What is it that separates something from being a huge embarasment to being a humiliating thing?

RE: Embarasment vs Humiliation - 8/27/2006 10:14:42 AM

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A huge embarrasment for Us regarding our slaves is when they do an offense in public and are punished ... in public. That's embarrassing for them. A HUGE humiliation and one that sticks is when my personal slave about 10 years ago did something that pissed Me OFF. I gave her 10 days of nudity ... 24/7 and ... we had 2 vanilla visitors during that time.

Now ... I enjoyed that humiliation and she NEVER did the offense again. she on the other hand ... wanted to find a fig leaf *lol*.

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RE: Embarasment vs Humiliation - 8/27/2006 10:20:00 AM

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Well one difference is that humiliation is something that takes place either in private or with other people consenting to witness it. There is an understanding that the humiliation is something that was consented to by the parties involved. There is an arousal element often to it, at least one person involved is usually getting sexually aroused during humiliation.

Embarassment is something that I do not see as consensual. It takes place in front of nonconsenting people (I would never consent to watch someone embarass their submissive because they were "punishing" her for example... not my kink, and I do not want to be involved in that). It is something I see as a punitive thing, a shaming thing, and as something that is not designed for arousal....

Fictional Example : A dom makes his sub dress like a whore for a family reunion to shame her, not consensual, not physically arousing.She never agreed to be demeaned in front of her vanilla family... this is embarassment

Fictional example of humiliation: A dom tells everyone that he wants to show his sub what a slut she is and she will give everyone there a blow job that wants one at a party he throws... he is consensually humiliating her if this arouses her or anyone that engages in it, and it is within her limits

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RE: Embarasment vs Humiliation - 8/27/2006 10:20:56 AM

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Embarrassment is a feeling of awkwardness, uncomfortably self-conscious or out of placeness while humiliation is putting someone in a mindset of being humbled towards another.

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RE: Embarasment vs Humiliation - 8/27/2006 1:21:39 PM

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wow I actually unblocked LuckyAlbatross thinking they might actually have something to add this time beyond just links to other threads. I was wrong :(

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RE: Embarasment vs Humiliation - 8/27/2006 1:37:50 PM

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links that many people find useful .... with out rudeness!!!!

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RE: Embarasment vs Humiliation - 8/27/2006 2:06:56 PM

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If I wanted links then why would I have asked for your personal oppinion.

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RE: Embarasment vs Humiliation - 8/27/2006 2:13:19 PM

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Me fumbeling trying to snap the parachute on my slave.. then him reaching down and doing it himself :) humiliating - embarassing (But I get over it very quickly :)

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RE: Embarasment vs Humiliation - 8/27/2006 3:31:40 PM

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wow I actually unblocked LuckyAlbatross thinking they might actually have something to add this time beyond just links to other threads. I was wrong :(

I guess you missed this line at the top then:
Embarrassment is a feeling of awkwardness, uncomfortably self-conscious or out of placeness while humiliation is putting someone in a mindset of being humbled towards another.

But really excellent use of public pronouncement of blocking as an attempt to dismiss someone.

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RE: Embarasment vs Humiliation - 8/27/2006 3:34:41 PM

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LA ... I liked the links *hugs* ... very useful, thank you.

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RE: Embarasment vs Humiliation - 8/27/2006 3:58:59 PM

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I think humilation would tend to result in a degree of embrasment

LA walks a fine line of trying to provide links to previous discussion and hopefully not stifle new discussion. I never found it intrusive enough to block her though...

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RE: Embarasment vs Humiliation - 8/27/2006 4:18:51 PM

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Actually I dont find them intrusive, more a time saver. 90% of the time I have looked to see what is said its been just links from a find that anyone could have done. So after scrolling past thier posts for a while I just blocked them to save time. Maybe I will unblock them for a week or so and see how it is now :).

(I think humilation would tend to result in a degree of embrasment) So would you say there is no difference in an extreme embarassment and humiliation?

juliaoceania is embarasment worse than humiliation to you?

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RE: Embarasment vs Humiliation - 8/27/2006 5:05:19 PM

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To me, it has to do with motive. If someone wanted to do harm or strip away my self-esteem it wouldn't matter what you called it, it would be bad for me. If someone wanted me to be more humble, then it would be a good thing. A humbling experience can raise our awareness and actually increase our self-esteem if we are willing to extract that lesson from the experience. Again, what is the motive?

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RE: Embarasment vs Humiliation - 8/27/2006 5:08:18 PM

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To me, it has to do with motive. If someone wanted to do harm or strip away my self-esteem it wouldn't matter what you called it, it would be bad for me. If someone wanted me to be more humble, then it would be a good thing. A humbling experience can raise our awareness and actually increase our self-esteem if we are willing to extract that lesson from the experience. Again, what is the motive?

Also, say I'm giving a speech and then all the sudden have a huge yucky sneeze that spews and casuses me to have to stop and blow my nose and stuff. I'm embarrassed there, but not humiliated, nor am I humbled towards anyone.

Humiliation is a distinct interaction between people.

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RE: Embarasment vs Humiliation - 8/27/2006 6:03:44 PM

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(Humiliation is a distinct interaction between people.) In essence you could never humiliate yourself if noone were there?

I'm in my mind now trying to think now. If I were to do something majorly dumb and humiliating but noone happened to see it and never found out about it, would it still be humiliating. Have to think on that one.

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RE: Embarasment vs Humiliation - 8/27/2006 6:53:11 PM

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Embarrassment is easily gotten over, like sneezing in a very quiet place such as a library ... humiliation takes longer, some people never get over being humiliated, like someone setting you up for a fall in front of others. Alot of humiliation is seen in ones teens.

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RE: Embarasment vs Humiliation - 8/27/2006 7:05:54 PM

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What in your own personal oppinion is the defference between something very embarasing and something humiliating? I'm not looking for the dictionary definition here because this is something I think each person determins for themselves. What is it that separates something from being a huge embarasment to being a humiliating thing?

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RE: Embarasment vs Humiliation - 8/27/2006 7:32:09 PM

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(Humiliation is a distinct interaction between people.) In essence you could never humiliate yourself if noone were there?

Actually yes, I think that is accurate.

If I spend an hour in my empty house hunting for my keys, only to reach in my pocket and find them there, I'd find that embarassing.
If I spend an hour looking for Sir's keys while he's waiting, only to reach in my pocket and find them there, I'd be humiliated. My forgetfulness and carelessness with his things would injure my pride at giving good service as well as embarass me for having inconveniencing him.

Without someone else to witness my lapse, I don't know how I could feel humiliated. Will have to think on this one a bit.

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RE: Embarasment vs Humiliation - 8/27/2006 7:45:26 PM

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OP: What in your own personal oppinion is the defference between something very embarasing and something humiliating? I'm not looking for the dictionary definition here because this is something I think each person determins for themselves. What is it that separates something from being a huge embarasment to being a humiliating thing?

TO THE OP: Oh...let me see. Embarassment would be posting a sloppy, badly spelled and poorly worded post. Stupidity would be insulting someone who answered in good faith and then gave you more information thru links. HUMILIATION is what you should feel now having demonstrated to all of us in your fifth post on this system that you are a moron, and rude.

But maybe that's just My opinion (smile).

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RE: Embarasment vs Humiliation - 8/28/2006 6:39:58 PM

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Actually I dont find them intrusive, more a time saver. 90% of the time I have looked to see what is said its been just links from a find that anyone could have done. So after scrolling past thier posts for a while I just blocked them to save time. Maybe I will unblock them for a week or so and see how it is now :).

(I think humilation would tend to result in a degree of embrasment) So would you say there is no difference in an extreme embarassment and humiliation?

juliaoceania is embarasment worse than humiliation to you?

Humiliation is something I see as pleasurable within my agreed upon limits.. I see embarassment as something vanilla and not pleasurable. I would not be embarassed to take off my clothing in front of others into BDSM if told to, I would at a vanilla get together... it would be inappropriate... actually LA seems to have defined it better. A feelig of awkwardness, I do not see humiliation as awkward.

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